The Social-Engineer Podcast

Today we are joined by Patrick McAndrew. As the Founder & CEO of HARA, Patrick focuses on developing the whole person, knowing that high performance is determined by how you live – not just how you work.

 

Patrick helps develop habits of mind to thrive in competitive environments. He has trained leaders and high-performing teams to bring more structure into their lives for greater: Focus; Energy; Productivity; Mental Resilience & Life Balance.

 

With a background in corporate law, Patrick moved into sales, leading the expansion of BriteVenue across North America, the #1 venue software for weddings and events.

 

In 2018, Patrick worked with Iris as a high performance coach and instructor to Hedge Funds, Investment Banks and MBA programs at Ivy League Universities. During the same period Patrick launched his first business - an audio marketing business which launched Spotify's first global audio marketing campaign to brands and agencies.

 

In 2019, Patrick launched Momentum Mind, which would become HARA to help organizations develop the whole human. [July 10, 2023]

 

00:00 - Intro

00:17 - Intro Links

-          Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/

-          Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/

-          Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/

-          Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/

-          Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb

-          CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/

-          innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/

03:03 - Patrick McAndrew Intro

04:43 - Making Sense of the Path

08:41 - Your Attention is All You Have

14:31 - Our Issues with Paradox

20:37 - Gaining Control of Our Attention

24:29 - Trading Impact for Activity

27:22 - Being Led by Values

31:11 - Value-Driven Results

32:57 - Making Space

36:13 - A Break Needs to be a Break

41:46 Mentors:

-          Mother

-          Marshall McLuhan

-          John O'Donohue

-          L.M. Sacasas

43:26 - Book Recommendations

-          Ancient Futures - Helena Norberg-Hodge

-          Stand Out of Our Light - James Williams

-          The Boy Who Was Raised as a Dog - Bruce D. Perry

46:41 - Find Patrick McAndrew online

-          LinkedIn: in/patrickmcandrewonline/

-          Substack: theinnerlandscape.substack.com

-          Website: hara.co

-          Website: patrickmcandrew.co

47:38 - Guest Wrap Up & Outro

-          www.social-engineer.com

-          www.innocentlivesfoundation.org


Welcome to the Social-Engineer Podcast: The Doctor Is In Series – where we will discuss understandings and developments in the field of psychology.

 

In today’s episode, Chris and Abbie are discussing: Deception Detection. While there are many misconceptions about this topic, we are not completely in the dark; we are just not as good as we think. [July 3, 2023]

 

00:00 - Intro

00:18 - Dr. Abbie Maroño Intro

01:18 - Intro Links

-          Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/

-          Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/

-          Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/

-          Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/

-          Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb

-          CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/

-          innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/

04:44 - The Topic of the Day: Deception Detection

06:15 - Lying About Lying

09:20 - The Dangers of Being Wrong

11:09 - The "What" is NOT the "Why"

13:41 - The False Narrative of NLP

18:37 - We Love a Myth

21:33 - Mythbusters

24:50 - That's Entertainment!

26:17 - It's Not Deception, It's Stress

31:40 - "We need to talk"

33:11 - Lying in Order

37:23 - Information is Key

38:46 - The Need for a Big-Picture Approach

41:00 - Shameless Plugs

42:27 - Wrap Up

43:21 - Next Month: Learned Helplessness

44:35 - Outro

-          www.social-engineer.com

-          www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

 

Find us online:

-          Twitter: https://twitter.com/abbiejmarono

-          LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/dr-abbie-maroño-phd-35ab2611a

-          Twitter: https://twitter.com/humanhacker

-          LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/christopherhadnagy

 

References:

Vrij, A. (2019). Deception and truth detection when analyzing nonverbal and verbal cues. Applied Cognitive Psychology, 33(2), 160-167.

Vrij, A., Granhag, P. A., & Porter, S. (2010). Pitfalls and opportunities in nonverbal and verbal lie detection. Psychological science in the public interest, 11(3), 89-121.

Vrij, A., Hartwig, M., & Granhag, P. A. (2019). Reading lies: Nonverbal communication and deception. Annual review of psychology, 70, 295-317.

DePaulo, B.M. (2004). The many faces of lies. In A.G. Miller (Ed.), The social psychology of good and evil (pp. 303–236). New York: Guilford Press.

DePaulo, B.M., Blank, A.L., Swaim, G.W., & Hairfield, J.G. (1992). Expressiveness and expressive control. Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin, 18, 276–285.

DePaulo, B.M., Charlton, K., Cooper, H., Lindsay, J. L., & Muhlenbruck, L. (1997). The accuracy–confidence correlation in the detection of deception. Personality and Social Psychology Review, 1, 346–357.

Ekman, P. (2001). Telling lies: Clues to deceit in the marketplace, pol[1]itics and marriage. New York: Norton. (Original work published 1985).

Ekman, P., & Friesen, W.V. (1969). Nonverbal leakage and clues to deception. Psychiatry, 32, 88–106.

Julia Hirschberg, Stefan Benus, Jason M. Brenier, Frank Enos, Sarah Friedman, Sarah Gilman, Cynthia Girand, Martin Graciarena, Andreas Kathol, Laura Michaelis, et al. 2005. Distinguishing deceptive from non-deceptive speech. In In Proceedings of In[1]terspeech 2005 - Eurospeech, pages 1833–1836.

Tsikerdekis, M., & Zeadally, S. (2014). Multiple account identity deception detection in social media using nonverbal behavior. IEEE Transactions on Information Forensics and Security, 9(8), 1311-1321.

O’Sullivan, M. (2005). Emotional intelligence and deception detection: Why most people can’t “read” others, but a few can. Applications of nonverbal communication, 215-253.


Welcome to the Social-Engineer Podcast: The SE Etc. Series. This series will be hosted by Chris Hadnagy, CEO of Social-Engineer LLC, and The Innocent Lives Foundation, as well as Social-Engineer.Org and The Institute for Social Engineering. Chris will be joined by his co-host Patrick Laverty as they discuss topics pertaining to the world of Social Engineering. [June 26, 2023]

 

00:00 - Intro

00:19 - Patrick Laverty Intro

00:58 - Practical Application for Social Engineering

02:37 - Intro Links

-          Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/

-          Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/

-          Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/

-          Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/

-          Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb

-          CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/

-          innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/

04:53 - ILF News

06:32 - Todays Topic: Acting Your Way in Social Engineering

08:32 - Rosa Rowles & Curt Klump Intro

09:52 - Dressing the Part

14:22 - A Background Made for SE

19:46 - Getting Out of Your Own Head

20:46 - Alter Ego

22:32 - Using Real Life as a Tool

25:49 - When Your Alias is Real

29:51 - Breaking Bad

36:02 - Security Isn't Convenient

37:57 - Keeping It Fresh

42:43 - Being Helpful Helps

45:15 - In the Classroom

46:45 - Wrap Up

47:28 - Next Month: Subscribe to Find Out

48:05 - Outro

-          www.social-engineer.com

-          www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

 

Find us online

-          Chris Hadnagy

-          Twitter: @humanhacker

-          LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/christopherhadnagy

-          Patrick Laverty

-          Twitter: @plaverty9

-          LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/plaverty9


Today on the Social-Engineer Podcast: The Security Awareness Series, Ryan and I are joined by Jason Rebholz. Jason is the Chief Information Security Officer at Corvus Insurance. He has over a decade of experience performing forensic investigations into sophisticated cyber attacks and helping organizations build secure and resilient environments. As Corvus’s CISO, Jason leverages his incident response, security, and infrastructure expertise to drive security strategy and reduce the risk of security threats internally at Corvus and for Corvus's policyholders. Prior to joining Corvus, Jason held leadership roles at Mandiant, The Crypsis Group, Gigamon, and MOXFIVE [June 19, 2023]

 

00:00 - Intro

01:03 - Intro Links:

-          Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/

-          Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/

-          Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/

-          Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/

-          Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb

-          CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/

-          innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/                                               

05:04 - Jason Rebholz Intro

05:47 - How did you get to where you are?

11:32 - Eating the Elephant

12:53 - The Gospel of Ryan

15:39 - Back to Basics

16:49 - Finding the Right Alleyway

20:32 - You're Allowed to Change Your Mind

23:14 - The Right Tools for the Job

24:58 - Maximizing ROI

25:54 - The City of No

27:11 - What's Bad MFA?

29:41 - 3-2-1...1

32:52 - Quality Fishing

36:32 - Holistic Security Program

39:07 - Realistic Expectations

41:31 - Mentors

-          Steve Surdu

42:58 - Book Recommendations

-          Atomic Habits – James Clear

45:16 - Wrap Up

-          LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/jrebholz/

-          Youtube: www.youtube.com/@teachmecyber

-          Website: www.corvusinsurance.com/

46:07 - Outro

-          www.social-engineer.com

-          www.innocentlivesfoundation.org


Today we are joined by Dr. David Rawaf. Dr. Rawaf is a surgeon, researcher, technologist, innovator and policy developer. As well as studying and working in both UK and US, David is involved with Imperial College WHO Collaborating Centre (for Public Health Education & Training), as well as medical writing, research and hosting conferences. David has a role as Surgical Skill Faculty and is Centre Accredited by the Royal College of Surgeons. In addition, he is an abstract and content reviewer for a number of institutions including the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation amongst a number of other scientific societies. In addition, David is the Clinical Excellence Lead for Inovus Medical, the world-leaders in high-fidelity medical and surgical simulation, and beyond this is also heavily involved in medical device & software consulting, including validation, accreditation and approval through bodies such as the FDA. David is a Co-Executive Director for the International Organization for Reconstruction for war torn-countries, and a Director for QCapital Ventures specializing in tailored start-up advice including investment acquisition, financial & business-strategy and scale up methods. [June 12, 2023]

 

00:00 - Intro

00:34 - Intro Links

-          Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/

-          Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/

-          Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/

-          Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/

-          Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb

-          CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/

-          innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/                                               

03:18 - Dr. David Rawaf Intro

05:01 - From Studies to Startups

07:22 - Practice Makes Perfect

09:16 - How do you "simulate" surgery?

11:48 - Simulation Benefits

14:47 - Redefining Fidelity

19:16 - Augmented Over Virtual

20:30 - Minority Report

23:08 - Google Glass 2.0

25:48 - Depressing Desire

29:39 - Stop Thinking!

35:33 - The Value of Support

41:17 – Mentors

-          Professor Adrian Wilson

-          Professor Fares Haddad

-          Father

-          Late Uncle

46:33 - Book Recommendations

-          The Genius Zone - Gay Hendricks

-          The 15 Commitments of Conscious Leadership - Jim Dethmer, Kaley Klemp & Diana Chapman

50:02 - Find Dr. Rawaf online

-          LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/davidrawaf/

-          Twitter: twitter.com/DavidRawaf

-          David’s Paper: Effect of Suppressing Thoughts of Desire to Smoke on Ratings of Desire to Smoke and Tobacco Withdrawal Symptoms

50:51 - Guest Wrap Up & Outro

-          www.social-engineer.com

-          www.innocentlivesfoundation.org


Welcome to the Social-Engineer Podcast: The Doctor Is In Series – where we will discuss understandings and developments in the field of psychology.

 

In today’s episode, Chris and Abbie are discussing: False Memories. Although memory processes and systems usually operate reliably, they are sometimes prone to distortions and illusions. Today’s discussion will examine how and why this happens. [June 5, 2023]

 

00:00 - Intro

00:20 - Dr. Abbie Maroño Intro

01:02 - Intro Links

-          Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/

-          Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/

-          Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/

-          Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/

-          Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb

-          CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/

-          innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/

07:43 - The Topic of the Day: False Memories

08:11 - Defining Our Memories

10:17 - Challenging Your Reality

11:48 - Remember the Good Times

13:01 - The Exception

15:07 - Unintentional Ego Inflation

17:27 - Putting it in Context

18:46 - The Dangers of Distorting Memories

23:19 - Not-So-Total Recall

25:40 - Repression vs Suppression

28:35 - Eyewitness Error

32:10 - Shameless Plug: Ep. 134

-          Altered Memories and Alternate Realities with Dr. Elizabeth Loftus

34:14 - Emotional Influence

37:22 - How Accurate Are You???

39:56 - Emotional Defense

44:35 - Belief System

47:48 - Don't Be Certain (Because You're Not)

49:31 - Confirmation Bias

52:39 - Simple Does Not Equal Easy

54:08 - Shades of Grey

56:38 - Wrap Up

56:58 - Next Month: Deception Detection

57:45 - Outro

-          www.social-engineer.com

-          www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

 

Find us online:

-          Twitter: https://twitter.com/abbiejmarono

-          LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/dr-abbie-maroño-phd-35ab2611a

-          Twitter: https://twitter.com/humanhacker

-          LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/christopherhadnagy

 

References:

Damiano, C., & Walther, D. B. (2019). Distinct roles of eye movements during memory encoding and retrieval. Cognition, 184, 119-129.

Robins, S. K. (2019). Confabulation and constructive memory. Synthese, 196, 2135-2151.

Schacter, D. L. (2022). Constructive memory: past and future. Dialogues in clinical neuroscience.

Murphy, G., Loftus, E. F., Grady, R. H., Levine, L. J., & Greene, C. M. (2019). False memories for fake news during Ireland’s abortion referendum. Psychological science, 30(10), 1449-1459.

Sedikides, C., & Skowronski, J. J. (2020). In human memory, good can be stronger than bad. Current Directions in Psychological Science, 29(1), 86-91.

Otgaar, H., Howe, M. L., & Patihis, L. (2022). What science tells us about false and repressed memories. Memory, 30(1), 16-21.

Loftus, E. F. (1993). The reality of repressed memories. American psychologist, 48(5), 518.

Anderson, M. C., & Hulbert, J. C. (2021). Active forgetting: Adaptation of memory by prefrontal control. Annual review of psychology, 72, 1-36.

Loftus, E. F., & Pickrell, J. E. (1995). The formation of false memories. Psychiatric annals, 25(12), 720-725.

Otgaar, H., Candel, I., Merckelbach, H., & Wade, K. A. (2009). Abducted by a UFO: Prevalence information affects young children's false memories for an implausible event. Applied Cognitive Psychology: The Official Journal of the Society for Applied Research in Memory and Cognition, 23(1), 115-125.

Otgaar, H., Candel, I., Scoboria, A., & Merckelbach, H. (2010). Script knowledge enhances the development of children’s false memories. Acta Psychologica, 133(1), 57-63.


(Original Air Date: 01/10/2022)

 

This month Chris Hadnagy is joined by the fascinating Amy Herman. Amy is a lawyer and an art historian who uses works of art to sharpen observation, analysis, and communication skills. She developed her Art of Perception seminar in 2000 and since then has worked with the New York City Police Department, the FBI, Department of Defense, Fortune 500 companies and more. She is also a TED speaker and an author of 2 books. Her latest book, “Fixed: How to Perfect the Fine Art of Problem-Solving was just released in December of 2021.

 

00:00 – Intro

-          Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/

-          Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/

-          Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/

-          Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/

-          Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb

-          CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/

-          innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/

-          Human Behavior Conference https://humanbehaviorcon.com/

02:39 - Amy Herman Intro

04:17 - Tell us how you got to where you are today

07:12 - How did you get to the conclusion where two different people from the same class have different needs?

10:00 - Is there an equation or secret about how an everyday person can use that skill?

13:33 - Amy's new book, “Fixed” (put full title here)

15:00 - How did you come up with the concept of this book?

18:00 - What is the hope you want for people who read this?

19:52 - How has the past 18 months changed the concepts of visual intelligence?

25:55 - Are you going to keep virtual training?

29:50 - Being more empathetic and finding common ground

32:31 - Can you explain “pertinent negative” from your book?

35:34 - Tell the story about your book cover

40:36 - Besides yours what are some of your favorite books?

-          (Amy’s book) Fixed.: How To Perfect The Fine Art of Problem Solving

-          (Amy’s book) Visual Intelligence: Sharpen Your Perception, Change Your Life

-          The Boys In The Boat – Nine Americans and Their Quest for the Gold - by Daniel James Brown

43:27 - Who is your greatest mentor?

-          Angela Merkel

45:15 - Guest Wrap Up

-          Website:  www.artfulperception.com

-          Twitter:  www.twitter.com/AmyhermanAOP

-          Instagram: @AmyHermanAOP


Welcome to the Social-Engineer Podcast: The SE Etc. Series. This series will be hosted by Chris Hadnagy, CEO of Social-Engineer LLC, and The Innocent Lives Foundation, as well as Social-Engineer.Org and The Institute for Social Engineering. Chris will be joined by his co-host Patrick Laverty as they discuss topics pertaining to the world of Social Engineering. [May 22, 2023]

 

00:00 - Intro

00:18 - Patrick Laverty Intro

00:58 - Intro Links

-          Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/

-          Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/

-          Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/

-          Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/

-          Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb

-          CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/

-          innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/

08:58 - Todays Topic: Human Hacking Book Discussion

13:52 - From "Tech" to "Storytelling"

18:51 - Experience Not Required

22:02 - The Importance of Knowing Yourself

25:43 - A Foundation in Communication

29:04 - Principles of Influence

31:32 - Leveling the Playing Field

35:35 - Elicitation Breakdown

40:22 - Understanding the Baseline

44:31 - Dress for the Job (You're Pretending to Have)

48:00 - The Forgotten Resources

49:39 - Wrap Up & Outro

-          www.social-engineer.com

-          www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

 

Find us online

-          Chris Hadnagy

-          Twitter: @humanhacker

-          LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/christopherhadnagy

-          Patrick Laverty

-          Twitter: @plaverty9

-          LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/plaverty9


Today on the Social-Engineer Podcast: The Security Awareness Series, Ryan and I are joined by John Young. Like many security experts, John started out on the wrong side of the law by manipulating the AT&T phone system as a teenage phone phreak in New York City before he was scared straight by the FBI. His career started four decades ago in 1982, and by 1987 Young became the network director at McDonnell Douglas's $41.8 billion C-17 program. He eventually retired from IBM after a 30-year career in the corporate cyberwar trenches to launch his own company, CyberDef.

 

Regarded as one of America's top corporate cybersecurity experts and thought leaders, Young's published dozens of articles, appeared on countless podcasts, and is designing a video course for people based on his book so that they can thrive in cybersecurity.   [May 15, 2023]

 

00:00 - Intro

00:53 - Intro Links:

-          Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/

-          Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/

-          Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/

-          Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/

-          Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb

-          CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/

-          innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/                                               

04:51 - John Young Intro

06:41 - Scared Straight

15:38 - Imposter Syndrome

16:53 - Don't Quit Your Day Job!

22:54 - Integration is Key

28:05 - The Effect of AI on Cyber Security

32:32 - Tips to Stay Ahead

38:17 - Policies, Processes and Procedures

38:37 - Book Recommendations:

-          Don't Hack! – John Young

43:22 - Find John Young Online

-          LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/john-young-4aa083151/

-          Website: https://cyberdef.tv

43:55 - Learn to Thrive

46:42 - Wrap Up & Outro

-          www.social-engineer.com

-          www.innocentlivesfoundation.org


Today we are joined by Tommy Honton. Tommy is a writer and experienced designer specializing in the intersection of interactivity and narrative. He has produced work around the world for audiences of all sizes and regularly lectures about design. He is also the co-creator of the award-winning escape room Stash House. [May 8, 2023]

 

00:00 – Intro

00:22 – Intro Links

-          Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/

-          Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/

-          Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/

-          Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/

-          Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb

-          CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/

-          innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/                                               

03:40 - Tommy Honton Intro                                                      

04:25 - How did Escape Rooms become your career?                                      

06:19 - The Hero of Your Journey                                                             

08:42 - Crafting a Non-Linear Narrative                                                 

15:47 - Go with the Flow                                                              

19:33 - More than Words                                                            

24:45 - I'm Not Just the President...                                                        

29:06 - Some Stranger Things                                                     

34:34 - The Florida Market and Beyond                                                 

36:22 - Who would you consider your greatest mentors?

-          Marty Parker

-          Sean Stewart

39:00 - Book Recommendations

-          Sex at Dawn - Christopher Ryan & Cacilda Jethá

-          Sapiens - Yuval Noah Harari

-          Blood, Seat, and Pixels - Jason Schreier

-          Press Reset - Jason Schreier                        

40:56 - MORTY: The Escape Room App

-          Site: Morty                                                        

42:41 - Find Tommy online

-          Website: tommyhonton.com

43:25 - Guest Wrap Up & Outro

-          www.social-engineer.com

-          www.innocentlivesfoundation.org