In this episode, Chris Hadnagy and Dr. Vyv Evans discuss the widespread use of emoji and how it can help fill the gap between text and face-to-face communication. Emoji has the ability to add tone and expressions to text that it would otherwise be lacking. In in a single picture, they can express complex ideas that would otherwise require many words to convey.  

00:10 - Introduction to Dr. Vyv Evans and his Work on Emoji 
01:37 - Brooklyn Teen Was Arrested for Threats Made with Emoji 
03:52 - The 2 Main Functions of Language  
06:12 - In Real World Scenarios, Communication Utilizes Multiple Channels 
07:55 - Tone of Voice Can Change the Meaning of Our Words 
09:05 - Gestures Can Change the Meaning of Our Words 
10:59 - Emblems are nonverbal signals that can be translated directly into words. 
12:50 - The Meaning of Emoji Can be Affected by Group or Cultural Factors 
15:45 - The Rebus Principle is Used to Represent Abstract Words with Pictograms, Like Emoji 
18:16 - Upcoming Virtual Trainings and Human Hacking Conference Signups.  

19:58 - The Differences Between the Emoji System and Language 
22:46 - Emoji Helps Text Catch Up with the Tone and Kinesics Found in Spoken Face-to-Face Interaction 
23:20 - Survey Done by Match.com Corelates the Use of Emoji to Increased Sexual Activity 
24:38 - Emoji Makes Us More Effective Communicators in the Digital Space 
26:09 - The Angry Jerk Phenomenon and How Emoji Can Help 
27:35 - Why Visuals are Important to Communication 
29:23 - The 😂 (Tears of Joy) Emoji Was Oxford Dictionary’s “Word of the Year” in 2015
31:05 - How Text Can Accidentally Convey the Wrong Tone 
32:10 - Emoji Can Complement the Meaning of a Word  
33:32 - Nonverbals are a Vital Component to Communication 
35:47 - Discussing Whether a Decrease in Vocabulary May Have Contributed to the Creation of Nonverbal Communication and Emoji 

41:26 - Vyv’s Contact Info 
Website: https://www.vyvevans.net/ 
Twitter: https://twitter.com/VyvEvans 
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/vyv-evans/ 

42:23 Vyv’s Books  
https://www.vyvevans.net/books 
The Emoji Code: The Linguistics Behind Smiley Faces and Scaredy Cats
42:44 Vyv’s Book Recommendations 
Because Internet: Understanding the New Rules of Language 

Episode Highlights:

• Mark shares his thought on being inauthentic.
  How he started in the nonverbal world and how he got engaged in writing books.
  Discusses being dyslexic, but reading images and creating images and critically thinking about images was easy for him.

Key Points:

• Do not mistake truths from facts they are not the same.
• If you tell a story and you massage some of the facts you sometimes get a stronger clearer truth from the story.
• People first need to think that it's valuable then believe that its true, so they go and use it.

Resources Mentioned:

• www.truthplane.com
• The Dictionary of Body Language by Joe Navarro (book)
• The Ellipsis Manual by Chase Hughes (book)
• Truth and Lies: What People are Really Thinking Mark Bowden (book)

Episode Highlights:

• Alethe shares her initial thoughts on receiving details about her target company.
• One mistake Alethe made in her first competition was misunderstanding that you can repeat flags.
• Alethe outlines how she prepared for the second competition, including watching re-enactment videos.
• Chris and Alethe discuss the importance of pretext and the key switch Alethe made.
• Alethe describes the experience of bringing a young baby to DefCon.
• She spent over 100 hours of time on her OSINT report. She spent even more time getting ready for the calls.
• Alethe tells us the most dangerous OSINT she found in her research.
• Alethe compares real-life vishing to competitive vishing.
• The time factor gave Alethe anxiety during her first competition. Learn how she managed this the second time around.
• They discuss the name game and how to use it effectively or ineffectively.
• Learn the important way the black badge changed Alethe’s life.

3 Key Points:

1. Dedicate a big chunk of time to prepare for the conference by listening to podcast episodes, watching re-enactments, and preparing your OSINT report.
2. In her OSINT research, Alethe was able to find information as dangerous as the types of equipment and software the company used freely available to the public.
3. In real-life vishing, you have time to establish rapport. Competitive vishing moves much faster.

Resources Mentioned:

• Chris Kirsh re-enactment video
• Alethe Denis Twitter, LinkedIn
• The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy (book)
• Innocent Lives Foundation
• Human Hacker Twitter
• SE Village Twitter

Episode Highlights: 

• The Human Hacking Conference was about having a deep understanding of other human beings to help you make connections.
• Robin Dreeke’s presentation was about his code of trust and sizing people up with a step-by-step process.
• Next year he will do what he did this year but then go into sizing people up.
• Paul Wilson’s presentation was about how there’s a vast toolbox of manipulation that is untapped in the security community.
• People were supposed to walk away from Dov’s session with a sense of their own dragon fire.
• Stephanie Paul’s session was about helping people find their voice and their message from the inside out.
• She believes the conference ended up with a theme because they're all humans speaking to human qualities that we have.
• As they discuss why the conference had a theme, Paul asserts that the core element is story.
• The subject itself fed the experience of the weekend.
• Next year, Stephanie's session will be about learning through fun.
• Dov’s session next year will help you better understand your own emotional logic.
• Paul’s session next year will give people a toolkit for recognizing deception.

3 Key Points:

1. The Human Hacker Conference was all about helping people understand themselves and others.
2. Common themes emerged because presenters were speaking to the human qualities we all possess.
3. Story can be used to teach, to educate, to touch hearts and it can also be used against you.

Resources Mentioned:

• Robin Dreeke website
• Dov Baron website
• Stephanie Paul website
• R. Paul Wilson website
• Sizing People Up (book)
• Emotional Intelligence (book)
• The Why Guide to Story Hacking (Use code HACK4U for a special discount)
• Social-engineer.org
• Social-engineer.com
• Innocent Lives Foundation
• Human Hacker Twitter
• SE Village Twitter

3 Key Points:

1.   Conversational intelligence helps us understand how our brains and bodies interact  to create our experiences and how we can learn to control our experiences.
2. The Conversational Intelligence Matrix describes three levels of conversation: transactional, positional, and transformational. 
3. In order to improve CIQ, an individual must begin recognizing reality gaps, asking  more questions of others, and letting their guard down.

In Episode 125, host Chris Hadnagy speaks with William Ortiz, a federal polygraph examiner who worked in the FBI for decades. In this discussion, you’ll learn how the polygraph works, how people try to fool the polygraph, and what agents and attorneys are really after when they receive the results of a polygraph examination. You’ll also hear some tips and tricks about deception that can inform your everyday interactions.

3 Key Points:

1.   Polygraph is a tool alongside non-verbals and behavior analysis questions to determine whether someone is telling the truth. 
2.   Being nervous is part of taking the polygraph test. Being nervous will not affect the test, but helps to establish your baseline. 

3.   When you ask someone a question, pay attention to whether they answer it. Then ask more questions to see where they lead.

On this episode of The Social-Engineer Podcast, host Chris sits down with Dr. Eva Krackow to discuss decision-making. Eva is an assistant professor in psychology at the University of Leicester, and focuses her research on judgement and decision-making, as well as how people can improve their daily choices for the better. Similarly, The Social-Engineer focuses on the end user, and how their decisions affect their online security. Eva talks about a game that was developed to research the difference in an individual’s behavior based on the motive of the game, being teamwork, or a competition, and how subtle framing can influence an individual’s behavior. Framing is a way to present an idea or concept to an individual to achieve desired results.

Chris and Eva discuss the parallels between online security, The Social-Engineer’s line of business, and an individual’s choice to lean towards a way of “framing” that appeals to them. In terms of phishing scams, where once there were emails riddled with errors, scams have become more intelligent, getting email correspondence to appear more legitimate. Framing of the message has become more professional and sophisticated. The framing of the emails has changed in a way to adapt to the individual reading the scam, allowing the scammer to continue to be successful in stealing identities and information.

Eva discusses issues that come along with our current age of social media, and how individuals are less likely to explore unfamiliar information because of the algorithms that these popular networking sites use to appease each individual user. Social media websites aren’t necessarily our friend when it comes to actual facts and accurate information, but it is coincidentally where most people are finding their news sources. She suggests we need to consistently look outside of our usual media sources, outside of our current friends list, and be aware of the information we’re absorbing. When we don’t take these initiatives on our own, we can find ourselves taking in a never ending supply of information that appeals specifically to us, making it easier to believe the news we take in to be fact, when many times, it’s not. Reframing our communication allows us to be more open to new information that we may not have been before, it can open doors we weren’t aware existed when we’re able to step outside of our comfort zone.

Listen to more episodes and subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts!

Links:

Find more of Dr. Eva Krackow’s articles at https://www.psychologytoday.com/us

Find more information about The Social-Engineer at: https://www.social-engineer.org/

Follow The Social-Engineer Podcast on Twitter (@humanhacker), YouTube, and LinkedIn

Eva's Book Recommendations:

Trevor Noah - Born a Crime

Chris Hadnagy interviews Anne-Maartje Oud, chairperson and owner of The Behaviour Company, about how she found the inspiration and drive to kick start her own company dedicated to research about human behavior, how she deals with common behavioral problems, some insights on her cultural background and its impact on her career and the people around her.

On This Episode We Discuss:

• 00:00 - 122nd Episode of the Social-Engineer Podcast!
• 03:50 - Quick recap about Anne-Maartje Oud
• 04:30 - Anne talks about the early years of her career, how she found the inspiration and drive to start her own company focused on research into human behavior
• 08:33 - Anne talks about her study and research on human behavior, how she teach people
• 10:16 - How she help people become aware of their bad behavior
• 13:59 - Anne talks about the common problems she usually encounter
• 19:25 - Her advice on meeting new people, going through job interviews and how to behave right in these situations
• 21:45 - Her cultural background and its impact on her career and the people around her; and how to fit in with people from various cultures
• 45:33 - Closing remarks for Anne (links to her company website, social media accounts, books she recommends)
• 46:16 - Desmon Morris’ book “People Watching”

• 48:58 - A brief interview with Dov Baron
• 49-57 - Who is Dov Baron?
• 51:26 - Dov shares what he’ll talk about in the coming 2020 Social-Engineer conference
• 55:00 - Dov talks about leadership
• 57:56 - Closing remarks for Dov (Links to his company website, his social media accounts)

 Books to Read:

 What Every Body is Saying - Joe Navarro

• People Watching - Desmond Morris

 Featured Links:

•  https://www.behaviourcompany.eu
• https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-behaviour-company/
• https://twitter.com/annemaartjeoud
• https://fullmontyleadership.com/
• https://www.sevillage.org/

 Connect with Anne-Maartje Oud:

•  LinkedIn
• Twitter
• Instagram

 Connect with Dov Baron:

• LinkedIn
• Twitter
• Instagram
• Facebook

 Listen & Subscribe:

• The Social-Engineer Podcast
• The Social Engineer on Apple Podcasts
• The Social Engineer on Spotify

 Thanks for listening! Follow and tweet @SocEngineerInc. Find us on Facebook and, if you like what you hear, do us a favor and write a review on iTunes.

On This Episode We Discuss:

• 0:27 - Introducing the guest - Joe Navarro
• 1:35 - Joe Navarro’s background and expertise
• 3:06 - The 13 books Joe has written
• 3:36 - Why do we do anything?
• 3:58 - The next project Joe is working on related to what makes good leadership
• 5:44 - SEVillage Orlando 2020 preview and what Joe’s talk will be about
• 8:35 - How Joe’s career path lead him into leadership and writing books
• 11:08 - Joe coming to the country, not knowing any English, and how this shaped his reliance on non-verbals
• 13:00 - The leadership most of us will encounter and how personal this typically is
• 14:26 - The most important attribute any leader must have
• 15:27 - What do you think makes a great employee for your company?
• 17:19 - Joe’s experience working with Robin Dreeke
• 18:13 - Joe’s story of getting a text from someone he put in prison
• 21:00 - The importance of treating people humanely
• 21:58 - Joe’s experience in Puerto Rico with people telling him when something wasn’t right
• 23:18 - What’s coming up in the upcoming months for Social-Engineering
• 25:40 - Understanding how you can improve (And why you need to be open to it)
• 26:41 - Who the best investigator typically is
• 27:38 - Ego and how it can harm you
• 28:27 - What Joe would ask himself before doing an interview
• 30:27 - Putting the right people in the right situations to be most effective
• 31:32 - Joe’s experience in New York trying to recruit someone 
• 32:43 - How to determine what type of person is the best in any situation
• 33:30 - Interethnic empathy
• 35:12 - The reasons why operations sometimes fail
• 36:32 - Why “face time” is so important and really the key to everything
• 37:11 - A few things you can do to increase face time
• 40:15 - Where people can go to learn more about Joe
• 42:05 - Joe’s book recommendation

Connect with Joe Navarro

• Joe’s Website
• Facebook
• Twitter
• Joe’s Amazon Author Page

Links:

• Joe Navarro
• SEVillage Orlando 2020
• Episode 14 – I S.E.e What You Are Thinking
• Ep. 112 – Catching Spies and Paying Parking Tickets with Joe Navarro
• The Behavioral Analysis Program
• The Like Switch: An Ex-FBI Agent's Guide to Influencing, Attracting, and Winning People Over by Jack Schafer
• Advanced Interviewing Techniques: Proven Strategies for Law Enforcement, Military, and Security Personnel by Joe Navarro
• Steve Ross (Literary agent)
• SEVillage.org
• Robin Dreeke
• Three Minutes to Doomsday by Joe Navarro
• How China Uses LinkedIn to Recruit Spies Abroad
• The Gift of Fear : Survival Signals That Protect Us from Violence by Gavin De Becker

On This Episode We Discuss:

• 0:00 - 10th year anniversary podcast!
• 2:38 - Robin’s book Sizing People Up
• 3:43 - Why trust is ultimately what matters
• 5:33 - Perry’s speech at SEVillage
• 7:45 - Changing the context of how you view your situation (And the world)
• 10:35 - How you choose who to engage when speaking to an audience
• 11:10 - Stage hypnosis
• 13:15 - Why you need to make every statement about the other person
• 14:50 - Why we always act in our best interest and understanding what that means for others
• 17:28 - How you can use social engineering in real-life social situations (And how to mitigate manipulation)
• 22:44 - The differences between the alcohol, tobacco, and firearms industries 
• 27:25 - The most effect technique for listening
• 28:08 - The Black Badge Contest winners 
• 29:05 - How the Black Badge works and why it’s so high pressure
• 30:03 - Techniques for building rapport
• 33:17 - Having so many people fill the room at DEF CON
• 36:22 - Protecting data and how changing culture has to start from the top
• 41:10 - Career prospects and how to find the right company to work for
• 44:38 - The value of writing to build credibility and get more clients 
• 46:55 - Phishing education and incentivizing positive action
• 49:45 - Taking time to figure out people’s strengths and top 3 priorities of people you’re working with
• 50:45 - Why loving your product, believing in what you’re selling, and knowing it will help people is crucial to selling a product
• 54:32 - Dealing with fatigue while vishing (And taking breaks)
• 58:04 - What makes a great social-engineer
• 1:00:00 - Perry’s Book
• 1:03:37 - A technique for catching 3 spies (Coming soon)

 Connect with Them

• Robin Dreeke on LinkedIn
• Robin Dreeke on Twitter
• Perry Carpenter on LinkedIn
• Perry Carpenter on Twitter

 Links:

• Sizing People Up (Book) 
• Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors (Book)
• The Code of Trust (Book)
• KnowBe4 (Perrys Company)
• People Formula (Robin’s Company)
• Episode 99
• Episode 78
• Episode 42
• Episode 20
• Joe Navarro
• DEF CON
• SEVillage Orlando 2020
• Stephanie Paul 
• Amanda Berlin

Bio: https://www.stephaniepaulinc.com/meet-stephanie

On This Episode We Discuss:

• Who Stephanie is and what she does
• How Stephanie produced, cast, and directed the launch of the Calvin Klein CK1 Fragrance in New Zealand at age 21
• Stephanie’s acting role in the film Iron Sky
• How Stephanie started her company by accident
• The psychology tool “Stimulus Value” and the importance of understanding it
• The top traits we look for when communicating with other people
• The importance of knowing WHY we’re delivering a message and delivering it in a way that’s beneficial to your audience
• How Stephanie develops stories with her clients and teaches them how to use their emotions as tools
• Emotional intelligence
• Why laughter is the most contagious biological behavior we have
• Laughter yoga
• Stephanie’s workshop in February of 2020 and why you NEED to come
• A few books Stephanie recommends

Dr. Jessica Barker runs a cyber security consultancy and, with a background in sociology, specializes in the human side of cyber security. She is especially interested in attitudes and behaviors in relation to cyber security, and her work is focused on communication, awareness, behavior and culture.

On this episode we discuss things like:

• How can we make info sec more human centric?
• Why are we failing so much?
• Should shame and fear be used in training?
• And so much more.

Chris Voss is an author, and professor. His is also a former FBI hostage negotiator, the CEO of The Black Swan Group Ltd, and co-author of the book, Never Split the Difference.

Chris discusses:

• What are negotiation skills?
• How are they useful in every day life
• What is tactical empathy
• What is a black swan?
• Can you really use these skills to save lives?
• So much more!!

Chris can be found on his website: https://blackswanltd.com/ and you can also find him on Twitter at: https://twitter.com/vossnegotiation

He recommended a few books for us this month:

The Rise of Superman: Decoding the Science of Ultimate Human Performance by Steven Kotler

The Talent Code: Greatness Isn't Born. It's Grown. Here's How. by Daniel Coyle

The Culture Code: The Secrets of Highly Successful Groups by Daniel Coyle

Gregg Henriques is a psychologist and professor with expertise in depression, suicide and personality disorders. He developed a new theoretical system for psychology and joins us today to share it with us.

As we discuss his theory we will talk about:

• His new theory of psychology
• The 4 interlocking peices and how we can apply them in every day life
• How to build a C.A.L.M Narrator
• So much more....

You can find out more about Gregg on his website: greghenriques.com as well as his articles on Psychology Today  

Gregg recommends we read: The Mindful Path to Self-Compassion: Freeing Yourself from Destructive Thoughts and Emotions by Christopher K. Germer

Chase Hughes is an ex-military Chief that wanted to learn how to better the study of influence. He wanted to see if he could teach anyone to use these skills fast and with precision.  Join us this month as we discuss this very topic with Chase and try to answer:

• Can we train people in influence like we train animals?
• Can we control our own minds to condition ourselves to not be influenced?
• Can we change how we react to fear, anger or other emotions?
• So much more...

You can follow Chase on his Twitter account: https://twitter.com/thechasehughes

Check out Chase's book. The Ellipsis Manual 

and also his book recommendation, Be the Pack Leader by Cesar Milan

Whitney Merrill is a privacy attorney, worked with the EFF and runs the Crypto and runs the Crypto Privacy Village at DEF CON. (See a pattern yet?)

This month we have a very fun and lighthearted chat with Whitney about things like:

• Is it possible to remain private today?
• Is it possible to be safe and date online?
• How dangerous is OSINT?
• And so much more

You can find out more about Whitney on her website: https://whitneymerrill.com/

She recommends the book "How To Make a Spaceship" by Julian Guthrie

 Join us with our guest Clint Watts as we ask questions about:

Misinformation campaigns and their success.

• How is misinformation used?
• Why is it so powerful?
• How can we be safe from falling victim?
• So much more

Clint can be followed on his Twitter Account @selectedwisdom  and on https://www.fpri.org/contributor/clint-watts/

Clint also recommends these books:

Identity: The Demand for Dignity and the Politics of Resentment Francis Fukuyama 

The Fifth Risk Michael Lewis 

American Nations: A History of the Eleven Rival Regional Cultures of North America 

Joe Navarro immigrated to American not knowing any English. How did this mold and shape him to become one of the most well known FBI agents and now one of the world's leading expert's in body language?

Join us in this discussion to find out:

• Why did he write this book?
• We will see more of him before another 8 years?
• How has nonverbal reading changed his life?
• Can you really learn these skills?
• Did Cat's youth really make her doubt Joe's stories?
• And so much more....

You can find more information about Joe's classes and books at his website https://www.jnforensics.com/

Joe's new book The Dictionary of Body Language and Joe's book recommendations are:

The Biological Mind by Alan Jasanoff

Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind by Yuval Noah Harari

Who We Are and How We Got Here: Ancient DNA and the New Science of the Human Past by David Reich

Till next time!

Did you know that Walmart sells smoothies? Well we didn't either (and we still don't think they do), but this smooth talking Brit will have all of you driving to your local walmart ordering a Crypto AI Blockchain smoothie from Walmart before you are done listening.

Nick Furneaux, lord of all OSINT and new author about crypto currency sheds light on exactly how crypto and social engineering collide.

This is one podcast you will certainly enjoy, whilst laughing all the way to smoothie land.

Find out more about Nicks Classes and training and book at his website www.csitech.co.uk 

Follow him on twitter at nickfx

And pick up Nick's recommended book, Endurance by Scott Kelly

So many times we get asked how can you become a professional social engineer.  This month we talk to two amazing women who were never in the industry, took a huge risk and it paid off.  Join us in this fascinating conversation with Whitney Maxwell and Rachel Tobac.

These two wonderful personify doing things ethically, honestly and with empathy.  They are an amazing example to our community and we had a great opportunity to talk about:

• How did you get into the SECTF?
• How did winning change your life?
• Did you get into SE because of it?
• Does Whitney really have relatives with everyone's name?
• Why is Rachel so scary?
• So much more.....

Whitney Maxwell can be found on Twitter at https://twitter.com/whitneynmaxwell/ and her book recommendations are:

• The Harry Potter Series
• The Midnight Line - A Jack Reacher Novel
• Crucial Conversations: Tools for Talking When Stakes are High by McGraw-Hill Education
• Smart Women Finish Rich by David Bach
• Everything That Rises Must Converge: Stories (FSG Classics) Paperback – by Flannery O'Connor

Rachel Tobac can be found on Twitter at https://twitter.com/racheltobac and her book recommendations are:

• Influence by Robert Cialdini
• Bossy Pants by Tina Fey
• As well as recommending two other podcasts: Masters of Scale by Reed Hoffman &
  How I Built This - Guy Raz

I sense there is something important in your life? Something that you will be listening to shortly that will change the way you view... everything.  Ian Rowland is a renowned expert into cold reading. In his book, "The Full Facts Book of Cold Reading", Ian explains exactly how cold reading works.

Despite being told exactly how this trickery works, notice how he still reads Cat during our podcast. We discuss:

• Do you know any Jennifer's?
• How does cold reading work?
• What application does Cold Reading have to social engineering?
• So much more...

Check out Ian on his website: https://ianrowland.com/ or his Twitter account: https://twitter.com/ianrowland1

Ian recommended a book for us this month: Dale Carnegie,  How to Win Friends & Influence People

 It might not come as a shock to you that we here at SEORG love Neil Fallon and Clutch. Having Neil out at DEF CON was an amazing experience.  After 4 long days at DEF CON we hosted our annual live podcast for Episode 108.

Join us as:

• Neil fixes Chris' technical issues.
• We discuss ways to improve the SEVillage
• We talk about professional SE work 
• and we suffer through our final sleep deprived moments in Vegas....

You can follow Neil on Twitter at: @npfallon

Check out Chris' latest book: Social Engineering: The SCIENCE of Human Hacking

Paolo Gaudiano has more than 25 years of interdisciplinary research, teaching, entrepreneurship, consulting, public speaking and writing experience. He recently embarked on a mission to use everything he has learned to revolutionize the way people think about Diversity & Inclusion, and what they do about it. 

Today we discuss:

• What are biases
• How are they used?
• Are they positive or negative?
• How can a social engineer use biases?

You can follow Paolo on his twitter account: https://twitter.com/aleriapbc or his company Aleria PBC

Paolo recommended a few books this month:

Amy E. Herman is the founder and president of The Art of Perception, Inc., a New York-based organization that conducts professional development courses to leaders around the world including at the FBI, CIA, Scotland Yard, and the Peace Corps. Herman was also the Director of Educational Development at Thirteen/WNET, the educational public television station serving New York and New Jersey, and the Head of Education at The Frick Collection for over ten years, where she oversaw all of the Collection's educational collaborations and community initiatives.

Join us as we have a fascinating conversation with Amy about:

• Biases - are they useful?
• How can we recognize biases and they use them?
• What does it mean to be the dog?
• What does it mean to be the wolf?
• Can you ride a dolphin, wolf hybrid through the ocean?
• so much more...

Amy can be found on her website: www.visualintelligencebook.com or on Twitter at @AmyHermanAOP 

She recommends a book by Daniel James Brown titled, The Boy in the Boat

Jordan Harbinger, formally from the Art of Charm, now hosts a new show called - The Jordan Harbinger Show. As a long time friend of the SEPodcast we wanted to discuss how Jordan restarted his life after parting ways with AOC.

Instead our conversation took a very interesting turn and we discussed some fascinating topics:

• How does who you know affect your abilities to advance?
• How do you keep and maintain useful relationships?
• Does what you know really add value?
• So much more...

Jordan shares some really interesting insights with us and gives us a new book recommendation:

Willpower Doesn't Work: Discover the Hidden Keys to Success by Benjamin Hardy

Follow Jordan on his website https://www.jordanharbinger.com/ and stay tuned for much more from him.

How important is fitting into a tribe? Can you create a new tribe? If you do, will you be all alone? This month's guest, the fascinating Dov Baron, explores these questions and more.

You can find Dov on his website at: http://FullMontyLeadership.com

You can buy his book, Fiercely Loyal on Amazon

Michael Bazzell spent 18 years as a government computer crime investigator. During the majority of that time, he was assigned to the FBI's Cyber Crimes Task Force where he focused on open source intelligence, hacking cases, and personal data removal methods. As an active investigator for multiple organizations, he has been involved in numerous high-tech criminal investigations including online child solicitation, child abduction, kidnapping, cold-case homicide, terrorist threats, and high level computer intrusions. He has trained thousands of individuals in the use of his investigative techniques and privacy control strategies.

This month Michael talks about:

• Some actionable OSINT tips you can use now!
• His new book that you must read
• Tips on parenting, that we doubt you will want to follow
• His VM operating system that contains so many tools it could make an OSINT'er drool
• So much more....

Make sure to check out his Twitter Account: inteltechniques and his podcast The Complete Privacy & Security Podcast

Micahel's new book: Open Source Intelligence Techniques: Resources for Searching and Analyzing Online Information is a must read and he recommends our listeners check out: Salt: A World History by Mark Kurlansky

We know you will enjoy this episode!

JJ Green just wants to share the story. With over 25 years of journalistic travel into 51 countries he has witnessed conflicts, disasters and political struggles that have shaped our world today. 

On this podcast we discuss:

• Do you really like Bruce Hornsby?
• Can you stay safe in this increasingly insecure world?
• What does it mean to pen the future?
• How do we help the next generation?
• So much more!

Join the Panel this month of: humanhacker, hackingdave, vlkyri, catmurd0ck as we talk about this and a whole lot more.

You can follow JJ at @jgreenwtop or @natsec09

JJ recommends a book that is right up our alley: American Radical: Inside the World of an Undercover Muslim FBI Agent by Tamer Elnoury

Till next month - stay secure!

Eric Taylor, aka CosmoTheGod, formerly of UGNazi has been caught arrested and now reforming his past ways turn his skills to the good.  Join us as we talk to Eric about:

• How did you stop the Kansas City Swatter?
• How did you get into hacking and social engineering?
• How did you reform?
• What are you going to do to stay on the side of right?
• What are you going to do now?
• and so much more.

You can find Eric on Twitter at:  https://twitter.com/CosmoTheGod

And he recommends the book by Kevin Mitnick, Ghost in the Wires

Lucky Yates is an actor and writer, known for Archer (2009), The American Shame (2001) and American Dirtbags (2015).

Lucky is a hilarious guest that entertained us and we got to discuss some really interesting topics:

• What is a war ape and a sky robot?
• How do you act when you can't see your co-actors?
• Are nonverbals still important?
• Is Dave a Jerk?
• How does Lucky feel about Bruce Hornsby?
• So much more....

Come and laugh with us on this very special podcast - Our 100th episode!

Lucky invites you to follow him on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/LuckyYates/

And also to read a pretty disturbing book called "The Butchering Art - Lindsey Fitzharris"

Check out our websites:

www.social-engineer.com for all Corporate Social Engineering needs

www.innocentlivesfoundation.org for information a nonprofit designed to help unmask child predators.

The SEPodcast Panel

Chris Kirsch, the 1st place winner of the SECTF, is a returning competitor that came back to prove to himself how and why he CAN win this competition after his previous attempt was ...um... not so great. Rachel Tobac is our scariest competitor but also one of our most positive and sweetest.  She comes back to yet again take 2nd place in the SECTF this year. We will discuss:

• What helped you win?
• What is one of the most important lessons?
• Would you recommend others try the SECTF?

  Do you want to see their entrance videos?

Chris Kirsch:

https://youtu.be/2FUkbes6Wgc

Rachel Tobac:

https://youtu.be/UuWRT4rpmX8

Chris Kirsch, the 1st place winner of the SECTF, is a returning competitor that came back to prove to himself how and why he CAN win this competition after his previous attempt was ...um... not so great. Rachel Tobac is our scariest competitor but also one of our most positive and sweetest.  She comes back to yet again take 2nd place in the SECTF this year. We will discuss:

• What helped you win?
• What is one of the most important lessons?
• Would you recommend others try the SECTF?

  Do you want to see their entrance videos?

Chris Kirsch:

https://youtu.be/2FUkbes6Wgc

Rachel Tobac:

https://youtu.be/UuWRT4rpmX8

Dan McGinn is a senior editor at Harvard Business Review and the author of "Psyched Up: How the Science of Mental Preparation Can Help You Succeed."

He discusses:

• How Does Psyching yourself help help?
  Tips and Tricks for mental motivation
• How to use these as a social engineer
• and most importantly, Is Bruce Hornsby really motivational?

You can follow Dan on his Twitter Account at @danmcginn

Tim recommend an amazing book entitled: The Four Tendencies: The Indispensable Personality Profiles That Reveal How to Make Your Life Better (and Other People's Lives Better, Too)

Join us in supporting The Innocent Lives Foundation to unmask online child predators.

Tim Larkin joined us LIVE at DEF CON 25 to be part of the SEPodcast Crew and discuss the importance of situational awareness.  Tim has an extensive background in working with people all over the globe in helping them stay safe.

He discusses:

• How to remain aware of your surroundings and not get overly distracted
• Why this is so important to safety
• How being aware has helped others stay safe
• And so much more

Tim can be found at his website:  https://timlarkin.com/  or on Twitter at https://twitter.com/tfttimlarkin

Tim recommended the book written by Miyamoto Musashi  called "The Book of Five Rings".

Join us in supporting The Innocent Lives Foundation to unmask online child predators.

Emily Brandwin may be one of the funniest guests we have had on the show.  She is an ex-CIA agent, ex-Stand up comic, present day comedy writer.  No, we are serious.

You will enjoy this conversation where:

• We find out how a haiku landed her in the CIA?
• Why did she even apply in the first place?
• Pretexting, pretexting and more pretexting - top tips from a spy
• Does Chris really own a cat suit?
• Can he truly speak pirate?
• There is just so much more....

This is one to not miss!

Emily, like many of you, is an avid reader and gives us an amazing list of books this month:

The Things We Tell Ourselves: A Novel by Victoria Namkung

Everybody’s got something by Robin Roberts

Patti LuPone: A Memoir by Patti LuPone

The Bedwetter: Stories of Courage, Redemption, and Pee by Sarah Silverman

Born a Crime: Stories from a South African Childhoodby Trevor Noah

Join us this month with our long time friend, Jordan Harbinger.  Jordan comes back to the SEPodcast to discuss a few important topics with us:

• How is marriage treating him?
• How has The Art of Charm changed over the years?
• How did he even start The Art of Charm?
• Was he really a lawyer?
• Other cool stories....

You can follow Jordan on Twitter here: https://twitter.com/theartofcharm or hit his website up at https://theartofcharm.com/.

Jayson E. Street is an author of “Dissecting the Hack: The F0rb1dd3n Network” from Syngress and creator of dissectingthehack.com. He has also spoken at DEFCON, DerbyCon, UCON and at several other ‘CONs and colleges on a variety of Information Security subjects. His life story can be found on Google under “Jayson E. Street.” He is a highly carbonated speaker who has partaken of Pizza from Beijing to Brazil. He does not expect anybody to still be reading this far, but if they are, please note he was chosen as one of Time’s persons of the year for 2006.

On today's podcast we talk about:

• A Diet Pepsi Intervention
• How does a white hat hacker land himself on NatGeo?
• How does one break into the WRONG bank?
• The stories that only Jayson could tell
• And so much more...

Follow him on Twitter at @jaysonstreet

Michael Bazzell spent 18 years as a government computer crime investigator. During the majority of that time, he was assigned to the FBI’s Cyber Crimes Task Force where he focused on computer crime investigations and OSINT. He has trained thousands of individuals in the use of his investigative techniques. He also served as the technical advisor for the television hacker drama "Mr. Robot". His books "Open Source Intelligence Techniques" and "Hiding from the Internet" have been best sellers in both the United States and Europe.

On this wonderfully Honrsby-Free edition of the SEPodcast we get to discuss:

• Michael's brand new VM for OSINT-ers - Buscador
• Tips to dig even deeper for OSINT
• How far is too far with Michael?
• Michele get's dating info from Michael - hot tips.
• And so much more.

Michael recommends the book Playing Dead: A Journey Through the World of Death Fraud

Check it out and follow him on twitter at @IntelTechniques

A microbiologist turned producer, Whitney has produced commercials, pilots, feature films, and internet series for major corporations including SyFy, Verizon, The Travel Channel, Comedy Central, Machinima, and CBS. She was a member of the Academy Award winning art team on The Amazing Race,  and wore several hats during production for The Lizzie Bennet Diaries and Emma Approved, both recipients of an Emmy for Original Interactive Programming. Whitney produced Virtual Reality experiences for Kellogg’s, General Electric, Nokia, Jaunt Media,  and Google Spotlight Stories. Her passions also include choreographing Renaissance and Regency Era dance, yoga, and creating stunning visual content.

This podcast we have the chance to discuss:

• How does framing work in film?
• Does VR change the way framing works?
• What aspects do you need to consider to frame your target's emotions properly?
• And much much more

Follow Whitney at her site: www.countstonine.com

Whitney also recommends this book:  The Alchemist by Paulo Coelho

The single most asked question is "What do I need to do to be a professional social engineer?" This month is devoted to talking to our team.  Folks who had almost no SE experience before working with SECOM and now lead the market in all things SE.

Enjoy our new format while we talk about these topics:

• Why is vishing so hard?
• How can you become a master phisherman?
• Pro-tips on SE Red Teaming?
• The team's favorite books?
• What Laurie would sound like if she was a 12 year boy?
• Why does Kaz not understand Twitter?
• So much more....

Book List:

Dan: The Phoenix Project: A Novel about IT, DevOps, and Helping Your Business Win by Gene Kim and Kevin Behr

Bryan: CS Lewis - Chronicles of Narnia

Lee: Cryptonomicon Mass Market Paperback – by Neal Stephenson

Laurie: Of Sudden Origin - C Chase Hardwood

Amanda: Quiet: The Power of Introverts in a World That Can't Stop Talking - Susan Cain

Colin: Something Missing - Matthew Dicks

Amaya: At The Crossing Places -Kevin Crossley-Holland

Kaz: Any book on Twitter

Mike: Phishing Dark Waters - Hadnagy/Fincher

Michele: Fight Club - Chuck Palahniuk

Chris: Presence -Amy Cuddy

Our guest, Dr. Brad Sagarin, professor of psychology at Northern Illinois university has studied and researched about how to combat the negative side of influence.  We have a very lively discussion (yes, Dave is at this one) about:

• What is influence?
• Can you really defend against it?
• How do you know if you are being influenced?
• And so much more...

Get more info about Brad at his site: http://sagarin.socialpsychology.org
Brad gives us a nice list of books for our listeners this month:

Ghost in the Wires - Kevin Mitnick

Four Arguments for the Elimination of Television - Jerry Mander

In the Absence of the Sacred: The Failure of Technology and the Survival of the Indian Nations - Jerry Mander

Shades of Grey: A Novel by Jasper Fforde

Paul Asadorian from Security Weekly, http://securityweekly.com/, joins us to discuss some pretty important topics.  Things like:

• What is up with Apple and the new CrapBook?
• Why does Dave plays Hornsby so much?
• Will SE be a huge vector in 2017?
• What are the major security concerns coming up in the near future?
• What about IoT?
• So much more....

As usual, it is a lively, spirited and fun chat with the SE Crew!

This time we all took turns mentioning books we love here is the list:

How To Win Friends and Influence People - Dale Carnegie

Misbehaving: The Making of Behavioral Economics  - Richard Thaler

The Prophet - Khalil Gibron

The Subtle Art of Not Giving a ****: A Counterintuitive Approach to Living a Good Life - Mark Manson

The Hidden Life of Trees: What They Feel, How They Communicate—Discoveries from a Secret World - Peter Wohlleben

Emotional Intelligence: Why It Can Matter More Than IQ  - Daniel Goleman

Presence: Bringing Your Boldest Self to Your Biggest Challenges  - Amy Cuddy

Author, teacher, researcher and psychologist - Dr. Pennebaker is one interesting man.  He has not only performed some fascinated research but he built tools around his research and then released them free to the world.  You can even try one out at his site: http://www.receptiviti.ai/

This podcast we have a chance to ask the Doc things like:

• Can we really learn to profile people based on how they use pronouns?
• Are tools needed or can a human learn it?
• Is it good or bad to use the word "we" a lot?
• Will you really listen to Bruce Hornsby?
• And so much more...

Join us for this fun, entertaining and really educational podcast.

Dr. Pennebaker recommends a couple books for us:

The Secret Life of Pronouns - Dr. James Pennebaker

Along with the accompanying website at: http://www.secretlifeofpronouns.com/

Station 11 - Emily St. John Mandel

Robert Cialdini (http://www.influenceatwork.com) is the Regents' Professor Emeritus of Psychology and Marketing at Arizona State University and was a visiting professor of marketing, business and psychology at Stanford University, as well as at the University of California at Santa Cruz. He has written a number of books and literally defined the studies on how we understand the principles of influence.

This month we get a chance to talk to Bob (He wouldn't let us call him Dr. Cialdini) about:

• How he got started in his career path?
  Was he really about to enter pro baseball?
• What does he think the difference between influence and manipulation is?
• Can 5 words really change your message?
• There is just soooo much more - you will love this one for sure!

Bob recommends these amazing books:

• Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion, Revised Edition - Cialdini
• Pre-Suasion: A Revolutionary Way to Influence and Persuade - Cialdini
• Rhetoric - Aristole
• The Hidden Persuaders - Vance Packard
• Persuasive Advertising: Evidence-based Principles - J. Scott Armstrong
• To Sell Is Human: The Surprising Truth About Moving Others - Daniel H. Pink

Enjoy!  What an amazing PODCAST!

Over the past 15 years, she has been researching the human-centred aspects of security, privacy, identity and trust.

Research interests: how we design and implement innovative technologies that are fit for purpose, value for money, and improve productivity and well-being of individuals and society.

Angela's full research portrait can be found here: http://sec.cs.ucl.ac.uk/ace_csr/members/angelas_research_portrait/

Angela discusses some fascinating topics with us based on research she has done into things like:

• Analyzing employee behaviors for security environments...
• The use of positive reinforcement over shame and fear....
• How to make usable security...
• How to enforce security policies....
• And how all this fits into her being a psychologist?

All of her research can be found here: http://sec.cs.ucl.ac.uk/people/m_angela_sasse/angelas_publication_list/

Angela recommended a book that took us a bit to find, Codes of the Underworld by Diego Gambetta

The annual live podcast from DEF CON was an amazing show this year.  Michele gets bio hacked live, Chris almost passes out and the crowd wonders where is the SE in the SEPodcast gone?

Amy Herman, JD, MA, designed, developed and conducts all sessions of the The Art of Perception. In addition to be an author of an amazing book, "Visual Intelligence."

She joins us this month for one of the best SEPodcast's ever.  We will discuss:

• What is perception?
• How can you learn to be more observant?
• What are the words you might want to avoid using?
• What can you do if you use one of these words?
• What fields need help with observation?

Amy can be found on her twitter account AmyHermanAOP

Amy recommended two books that you might enjoy:

Forensics: What Bugs, Burns, Prints, DNA and More Tell Us About Crime by Val McDermid

and

The Checklist Manifesto: How to Get Things Right by Atul Gawande

You have heard us talk about social engineering in every light possible as an attacker, now we invited two guests, experts in disinformation and and playing Internet hide and seek to help us see if we can use SE to HIDE from anyone.

We discuss such things as:

• How can you use disinformation?
• What does it mean to hide on the Internet?
• How hard would it be to really be off the grid?
• And why having a corporation in Mexico can help you with all of this.....
• and so much more.

Join Michael and Justin to find out.

Check out Michael at his site: https://inteltechniques.com/

and

Check out Michael's and Justin's books at: https://inteltechniques.com/amazon.html

Frank McAndrew is the Cornelia H. Dudley Professor of Psychology at Knox College. He is a social psychologist with interests in environmental and evolutionary psychology, and his research is guided by the simple desire to understand the psychology of everyday life. He is currently studying gossip, aggression, internet behavior, and paranormal experiences. His work is frequently featured in popular media outlets such as National Public Radio, the BBC, the New York Times, and NBC's "Today Show," and he has lectured widely throughout the United States, Europe, and Africa. He has also written for more than two dozen print and online magazines including Time, Newsweek, the Huffington Post, Scientific American, and The New Republic.

He join's us this month to discuss:

• How creepy are you?
• How do you know if you are creepy?
• Can you change if you are creepy?
• How can creepiness affect being a social engineer?
• Is Michele really creepy or sultry?
• Much much more

You can find out more about the Doc on his personal page at:  http://www.frankmcandrew.com/ where you can find his research papers and other work too!

Kevin Roose is a business and technology writer for New York magazine and the Daily Intelligencer blog. He has written several books including The Unlikely Disciple: A Sinner's Semester at America's Holiest University and Young Money: Inside the Hidden World of Wall Street's Post-Crash Recruits.

In 2015, Kevin asked Chris and his team of expert social engineers to hack him.  There was no restrictions - phishing, vishing, impersonation and a complete d0x were all on the table.  If haven't seen the outcome you can view in on the YouTube Video that already has over 2 million views.

We thought it would be a great idea to invite Kevin on the show and ask him a few questions:

• What gave you this crazy idea?
• Did you think you would come out the victor?
• How did you really feel as you realized you where pwned?
• How has it affected you after the hack?
• Anything you do differently now?
• And so much more....

What would you do if you were in a car accident that lowered your IQ and then had doctors basically tell you to throw in the towel?  Would you listen or would you fake it till you make and stay present? Find out what the truly inspirational Amy Cuddy did. March 14, 2016

Join us for another amazing episode with one of our favorite guests Robin Dreeke.

He helps us with:

• Building on the 10 steps to rapport
• How do we apply the 5 steps to trust?
• Can this really make you more zen?
• What is the name of his new book?
• What is this?  We are HORNSBY FREE!!

Follow Robin on Twitter or visit his website www.peopleformula.com

Ok so if you haven't heard of Clutch you just have been living under a rock... but if you have come out to listen to this podcast today is your special day... Meet Neil Fallon, leader singer, poet and scotch lover... oh yah and chances are if you go to one of his shows you are getting watched! Jan 11, 2016

Dec 18th Star Wars debuts its Episode VII!! And while all of geekdom is getting ready, is there Social Engineering Elements to Star Wars?  Join us with our guest Dr. Travis Langley, a psychologist who studies Star Wars characters for the answer! .... Dec 14, 2015

If you took 10 billion parts high energy, 10 billion parts social engineer and 10 billion parts raw awesome and blended them together, poured them in a mold and let them gel it would come out this month's guest.  Brian Brushwood is all that and more..... Nov 9, 2015

Phishing is the number one security threat to organizations around the globe.  Yet only a fraction of the companies that control our services, infrastructure and resources are educating their people how to combat this threat.  Why?  Lets discuss with Mark Chapman.... Oct 12, 2015

Another amazing year at DEF CON and the women have again dominated the SECTF.  Join us with our first and second place winners, Jen and Jon, to discuss strategy and how to win.... Sept 14, 2015

R. Paul Wilson is a good friend and we have been following his work for year.  This year he flies all the way to Vegas to join us for the podcast.... Aug 10, 2015

70 months is a long time, wouldn't you agree?  Well after 70 months we have managed to get HD Moore on our podcast and what a treat it is for all you listeners... you won't want to miss this one.... July 13, 2015

Can you remember episode 07?  Our amazing guest, Dr. Ellen Langer, is back now on episode 70! Mindfulness, the effects of it on decision making and so much more....

From Podcast 07 to Podcast 70, Dr. Langer hasn't lost a beat and she continues to impress us, entertain us and educate us how to be more thoughtful, better critical thinkers and more productive.  Don't miss this one.

June 08, 2015

PSYOP, or psychological operations, is a fascinating topic that we will be delving into with our guest, Jimmy Do. May 11, 2015

Did you know that the unique little errors and style you have in writing can pinpoint you like a fingerprint, even in your anonymous online posts?  Join us as we discuss this exciting topic with Sadia Afroz. April 13, 2015

How important is physical security to your overall security posture? Should security people really know how to pick locks and hack elevators?

Join the SEORG Podcast panel with our guest Deviant Ollam to discuss these very important topics.

Our anonymous guest joins us this month from one of the companies that was breached in the last year.  He discusses what we all can learn and how to stay safe and what to do to avoid being the next headline. Feb 09, 2015

The Social Engineer Podcast crew comes back together to discuss 2015 and what we can expect to see in the world of Social Engineering and Security.  Jan 12, 2015

John Mcafee has certainly been in the news over the last year or two. Now he joins the Social-Engineer Podcast crew and discusses his thoughts on social engineering and how he used it in Belize. Dec 8, 2014

Each year the SECTF at DEF CON grows in popularity and this past year was no different.  Join us with the dynamic duo that won DEF CON 22's SECTF competition - The Schmooze Operators Nov 10, 2014

Jorina von Zimmermann graduated from University College London (UCL) with a Master degree in Social Cognition in 2012. A year later she started her PhD in the department of Experimental Psychology at UCL to investigate group behaviour. She joins us to talk about influence and propaganda. Oct 13, 2014

Join the SEORG Podcast crew as we are joined by Brian Krebs to discuss the most cutting edge breaches in the news today.

DEF CON 22 was an amazing year for us... 5 year anniversary, a packed house and Johnny Long... what more can we say.

Information is the life blood of the social engineer.  Knowing how to obtain, locate, catalog and use all the info and their resources can be a daunting job.  Our guest this month, Michael Bazzell, has made a career out of it. July 14, 2014 - See more at: http://www.social-engineer.org/podcast/ep-059-legal-stalking-scary-tales-michael-bazzell/#sthash.e5PTAVyW.dpuf

Self control is one thing we know little about, but thanks to new research we are understanding more of what it is and how we can control our self control.  Join the SEPodcast crew while they chat with Dr. Inzlicht as we discuss this fascinating topic.

Join the SEORG Podcast crew and one of our favorite guests, Dr. Paul Ekman again this month to discuss his new research into mapping human emotions.  In addition, his research into compassion and understanding how emotions play a role in behavior.

Released May 12th

We met Calvin at RSA in San Francisco, where he amazed us with a cold reading, mind reading, environmental control illusion that made us NEED to interview him.  Join us in a fascinating conversation with him.  April 14th, 2014

Nonverbal communication is a pretty hot topic lately, especially with the release of Chris' newest book.  This month we invite Paul Kelly, the technical editor of that book, friend and Ekman Group's main trainer to the podcast. Mar 10, 2014

White Canvas group is a small collection of social media geniuses.  We are talking with their front man, Chris Dufour about how social media is being and can be engineered for the good, the bad and the ugly. Feb 10, 2014

This month the panel and crew you know and love (well we hope) is banging our heads together to discuss the topic of the RSA and the NSA.  While we can't know for sure what is true or not, should we boycott the RSA Conference?  Should we boycott the products sold by RSA?  Is it fair that the NSA is spying on people from its own country?

We may not have any great answers, but that is what we are talking about this month.  Our usual banter, jokes and intelligent conversation ensue.

Join the Social-Engineer Podcast Crew with our guest, the interesting and eclectic, Richard Thieme as we discuss the very fabric of info sec and how social engineering will change in the future.

This month we talk to a conflict resolution expert that believes that any conflict can be resolved in a peaceful and positive manner.  He uses affirmation and positive methods to bring out the best for all involved.  Join us and our guest Joe Weston in an exciting discussion on positive framing. Nov 11, 2013

Join us as we discuss the idea of self framing with a very successful counselor who has devoted her life to helping children learn how to re-frame and cope with terrible circumstances in life.  Elizabeth Tracy joins the cast of the Social-Engineer Podcast in an intruiging podcast.  Oct 14, 2013

If you haven't heard of Clutch then shame on you.  One of the best rock bands around.  With deep lyrics, a strong family sense for the band and some of the most interesting methods for framing himself we have a great discussion with Clutch frontman, Neil Fallon.