The Social-Engineer Podcast

 Vyvyan Evans | Professor of LinguisticsIn this episode, Chris Hadnagy and Dr. Vyv Evans discuss the widespread use of emoji and how it can help fill the gap between text and face-to-face communication. Emoji has the ability to add tone and expressions to text that it would otherwise be lacking. In in a single picture, they can express complex ideas that would otherwise require many words to convey.  

00:10 - Introduction to Dr. Vyv Evans and his Work on Emoji 
01:37 - Brooklyn Teen Was Arrested for Threats Made with Emoji 
03:52 - The 2 Main Functions of Language  
06:12 - In Real World Scenarios, Communication Utilizes Multiple Channels 
07:55 - Tone of Voice Can Change the Meaning of Our Words 
09:05 - Gestures Can Change the Meaning of Our Words 
10:59 - Emblems are nonverbal signals that can be translated directly into words. 
12:50 - The Meaning of Emoji Can be Affected by Group or Cultural Factors 
15:45 - The Rebus Principle is Used to Represent Abstract Words with Pictograms, Like Emoji 
18:16 - Upcoming Virtual Trainings and Human Hacking Conference Signups.  

19:58 - The Differences Between the Emoji System and Language 
22:46 - Emoji Helps Text Catch Up with the Tone and Kinesics Found in Spoken Face-to-Face Interaction 
23:20 - Survey Done by Corelates the Use of Emoji to Increased Sexual Activity 
24:38 - Emoji Makes Us More Effective Communicators in the Digital Space 
26:09 - The Angry Jerk Phenomenon and How Emoji Can Help 
27:35 - Why Visuals are Important to Communication 
29:23 - The 😂 (Tears of Joy) Emoji Was Oxford Dictionary’s “Word of the Year” in 2015
31:05 - How Text Can Accidentally Convey the Wrong Tone 
32:10 - Emoji Can Complement the Meaning of a Word  
33:32 - Nonverbals are a Vital Component to Communication 
35:47 - Discussing Whether a Decrease in Vocabulary May Have Contributed to the Creation of Nonverbal Communication and Emoji 

41:26 - Vyv’s Contact Info 

42:23 Vyv’s Books 
The Emoji Code: The Linguistics Behind Smiley Faces and Scaredy Cats
42:44 Vyv’s Book Recommendations 
Because Internet: Understanding the New Rules of Language 

Direct download: SocialEngineerPodcastEp130.mp3
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Speaker: Mark Bowden, Expert in Body Language, Human Behavior ...Episode Highlights:

  • Mark shares his thought on being inauthentic.
    How he started in the nonverbal world and how he got engaged in writing books.
    Discusses being dyslexic, but reading images and creating images and critically thinking about images was easy for him.

Key Points:

  • Do not mistake truths from facts they are not the same.
  • If you tell a story and you massage some of the facts you sometimes get a stronger clearer truth from the story.
  • People first need to think that it's valuable then believe that its true, so they go and use it.


Resources Mentioned:

Direct download: Social-EngineerPodcastEp129.mp3
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Episode Highlights:

  • Alethe shares her initial thoughts on receiving details about her target company.
  • One mistake Alethe made in her first competition was misunderstanding that you can repeat flags.
  • Alethe outlines how she prepared for the second competition, including watching re-enactment videos.
  • Chris and Alethe discuss the importance of pretext and the key switch Alethe made.
  • Alethe describes the experience of bringing a young baby to DefCon.
  • She spent over 100 hours of time on her OSINT report. She spent even more time getting ready for the calls.
  • Alethe tells us the most dangerous OSINT she found in her research.
  • Alethe compares real-life vishing to competitive vishing.
  • The time factor gave Alethe anxiety during her first competition. Learn how she managed this the second time around.
  • They discuss the name game and how to use it effectively or ineffectively.
  • Learn the important way the black badge changed Alethe’s life.


3 Key Points:

  1. Dedicate a big chunk of time to prepare for the conference by listening to podcast episodes, watching re-enactments, and preparing your OSINT report.
  2. In her OSINT research, Alethe was able to find information as dangerous as the types of equipment and software the company used freely available to the public.
  3. In real-life vishing, you have time to establish rapport. Competitive vishing moves much faster.

Resources Mentioned:

Direct download: Social-EngineerPodcastEp128.mp3
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Episode Highlights: 

  • The Human Hacking Conference was about having a deep understanding of other human beings to help you make connections.
  • Robin Dreeke’s presentation was about his code of trust and sizing people up with a step-by-step process.
  • Next year he will do what he did this year but then go into sizing people up.
  • Paul Wilson’s presentation was about how there’s a vast toolbox of manipulation that is untapped in the security community.
  • People were supposed to walk away from Dov’s session with a sense of their own dragon fire.
  • Stephanie Paul’s session was about helping people find their voice and their message from the inside out.
  • She believes the conference ended up with a theme because they're all humans speaking to human qualities that we have.
  • As they discuss why the conference had a theme, Paul asserts that the core element is story.
  • The subject itself fed the experience of the weekend.
  • Next year, Stephanie's session will be about learning through fun.
  • Dov’s session next year will help you better understand your own emotional logic.
  • Paul’s session next year will give people a toolkit for recognizing deception.

3 Key Points:

  1. The Human Hacker Conference was all about helping people understand themselves and others.
  2. Common themes emerged because presenters were speaking to the human qualities we all possess.
  3. Story can be used to teach, to educate, to touch hearts and it can also be used against you.

Resources Mentioned:

Direct download: Social-EngineerPodcastEp127.mp3
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3 Key Points:

  1.   Conversational intelligence helps us understand how our brains and bodies interact  to create our experiences and how we can learn to control our experiences.
  2. The Conversational Intelligence Matrix describes three levels of conversation: transactional, positional, and transformational. 
  3. In order to improve CIQ, an individual must begin recognizing reality gaps, asking  more questions of others, and letting their guard down.


Direct download: Social-EngineerPodcastEp126.mp3
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In Episode 125, host Chris Hadnagy speaks with William Ortiz, a federal polygraph examiner who worked in the FBI for decades. In this discussion, you’ll learn how the polygraph works, how people try to fool the polygraph, and what agents and attorneys are really after when they receive the results of a polygraph examination. You’ll also hear some tips and tricks about deception that can inform your everyday interactions.

3 Key Points:

  1.   Polygraph is a tool alongside non-verbals and behavior analysis questions to determine whether someone is telling the truth. 
  2.   Being nervous is part of taking the polygraph test. Being nervous will not affect the test, but helps to establish your baseline. 

3.   When you ask someone a question, pay attention to whether they answer it. Then ask more questions to see where they lead.

Direct download: Social-EngineerPodcastEp125.mp3
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