Mon, 18 January 2021
In this episode, Chris Hadnagy and Ryan MacDougall are joined by industry professional, Marcus Sailler to discuss his experience as the red team information security manager at Capital Group. Marcus shares some great tips on creating a successful security team and how you can prevent it from becoming the "No Police". They also go over the recent changes in the industry, including how big hacks have increased security awareness in the general public.
00:09 – Introduction to the new Security Awareness Series
01:28 – Introduction to Ryan MacDougall
02:32 – Introduction to Marcus Sailler
04:20 – How Marcus got into information security
06:08 – Recent changes in the infosec industry- How a big hack increases security awareness
12:09 – How a red team and security awareness team can collaborate to enhance security
14:25 – Introduction to Capital Group
16:17 – Coming up with relevant attacks for a global company
18:08 – How a security team can avoid becoming the “No Police”
21:39 – Why it’s better to build a blue team first
22:24 – The importance of attitude and ego for a red teamer
25:04 – How a red team benefits from partnership
26:53 – Emulate the bad guy, but remember to be good
29:18 – Steps corporations should implement now
30:58 – Some of Marcus’ most respected industry professionals
34:47 – Marcus' book recommendations
39:18 – Marcus' contact info
14:38 – Outro
Direct download: Ep._138__Security_With_Marcus_Sailer_of_Capital_Group.mp3
Category:Security Awareness -- posted at: 1:00am EDT
Mon, 11 January 2021
In this special episode, Chris Hadnagy joins Maxie Reynolds to talk about the amazing stories and useful lessons contained in Chris’s new book: “Human Hacking: Win Friends, Influence People, and Leave Them Better Off for Having Met You”. Listen as Chris delves into the process of making “Human Hacking” and shares the awesome story behind its inception. Maxie and Chris also discuss the importance of empathy especially when it comes to hacking humans.
Chris a global security expert and master hacker. He is the founder and CEO of Social-Engineer, LLC, the creator of the popular Social Engineer Podcast, website, and newsletter, and designed “Advanced Practical Social Engineering,” the first hands-on social engineering training course and certification for law enforcement, military, and private sector professionals.
00:09 – Introduction to Maxie Reynolds
02:13 – Introduction to Christopher Hadnagy’s brand-new book: “Human Hacking: Win Friends, Influence People, and Leave Them Better Off for Having Met You”
02:51 – Human-hacking is a skill that can be used in everyday life by everyday people
04:19 – What it means to “Leave Them Better Off for Having Met You”
05:50 – “The martial art of the mind” and how a malicious person could use it for harm
07:39 – Empathy and why it is so important when hacking humans
09:21 – Showing empathy while amygdala hijacked
11:40 – Empathy is more than just putting yourself in someone else’s shoes
14:15 – Empathy is often hierarchical
16:33 – The power of “I’m sorry”
18:02 – Why understanding the meaning behind someone’s actions is so important
21:48 – Accuracy of the stories told in the book
24:15 – The process of co-authoring the book with Seth Schulman
26:43 – The amazing story of how the book came to be
31:16 – How to fight the isolation and social awkwardness brought by technology and, more recently, COVID-19.
34:46 – Giving your feedback on the book
36:20 – A distillation of the “Advanced Practical Social Engineering” course, made applicable to everyone
40:50 – Socially engineering the world’s best rock band
43:51 - “Quick Fire Questions”:
44:04 – Chris's favorite story in the book
45:04 – Is there a stage in child development where less empathy is shown?
46:10 – Would the new book have helped teenage Chris?
48:01 – Is it as nicer to feel empathy yourself or receive it from someone else?
49:49 – Balance is required when teaching empathy.
51:19 – How we can all better our communities by learning to “Win Friends, Influence People, and Leave Them Better Off for Having Met You”
53:35 – Chris's book recommendations
54:56 – Outro