The Social-Engineer Podcast (Human Element Series)

Today we are joined by Mark Raffan. Mark is an award winning negotiation trainer, speaker, podcast host, well known negotiation expert, and entrepreneur. He has coached executives and teams in some of the largest companies on the planet and has been featured in Entrepreneur, Forbes, Thrive Global, and Supply and Demand Chain Executive Magazine (as a 2021 pro-to-know). Additionally, Mark has appeared on dozens of podcasts, including Make it Happen Mondays, The Brutal Truth About Sales, and The Insider’s Guide to Finance. [Sept 11, 2023]


00:00 - Intro

00:19 - Intro Links

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-          Managed Voice Phishing -

-          Managed Email Phishing -

-          Adversarial Simulations -

-          Social-Engineer channel on SLACK -

-          CLUTCH -

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02:44 - Mark Raffan Intro

04:12 - The Path to Negotiation

07:20 - Top Mistakes

08:18 - Actions Follow Thoughts

12:22 - Tactic or Strategy?

14:18 - Driven by Data

16:35 - You're Gonna Get Punched in the Face

19:43 - Be Curious

24:11 - Be Better

25:46 - The Motivation

31:00 - Book Recommendations

-          Theodore Roosevelt Series - Edmund Morris

-          The Art of Learning - Joshua Waitzkin

-          9 Secrets to Win Deals and Influence Stakeholders – Mark Raffan

33:40 - Mentors

-          Marty Park

-          Mother

34:49 - Find Mark Raffan online

-          LinkedIn: in/markraffan/

-          Website:

-          Podcast: Negotiations Ninja Podcast

35:20 - Guest Wrap Up & Outro



Today we are joined by Andi Schmied. Andi is an urban designer and visual artist. With her installations and printed work, she explores the architectural framing of social space, and uncovers urban anomalies. These vary from areas that have deviated far from their originally planned function, utopian architectures or spaces of extreme privilege.


Schmied graduated as an urban designer from the Bartlett School of Architecture (UCL, London) and is currently a PhD candidate at Moholy Nagy University of Arts and Design. Her latest book, Private Views: A High-Rise Panorama of Manhattan won the first prize in visual arts category of the Most Beautiful Czech Books competition. Her work, among other places, has been shown from London to Vienna and everywhere in between. [August 14, 2023]


00:00 - Intro

00:13 - Intro Links

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-          Managed Voice Phishing -

-          Managed Email Phishing -

-          Adversarial Simulations -

-          Social-Engineer channel on SLACK -

-          CLUTCH -

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03:10 - Andi Schmeid Intro

04:12 - From Design to Disruption

06:15 - Open House

09:13 - Room for the Nanny

11:28 - Casting a Long Shadow

15:38 - That’s Just Your View

16:59 - It's a Man's World

19:25 - Beyond the Pictures

21:43 - Something's Gotta Change

24:35 - Earth Abides

26:48 - The Artistic Urge

27:41 - Find Andi Schmied online

-          Instagram: @andischmied

-          Website:

27:57 Mentors

-          Nicholas Boyarsky

28:58 - Book Recommendations

-          Class - Paul Fussell

-          Private Views - Andi Schmied

29:49 - Guest Wrap Up & Outro



(Original Air Date: July 11, 2022)

Today Chris is talking with Laurie Segall. Laurie is the founder of Dot Dot Dot, a media company focused on onboarding the mainstream into a new era of the internet, Web3. Laurie is an award-winning journalist who has interviewed the world’s most influential tech leaders including Mark Zuckerberg and Tim Cook. Prior, she was CNN’s senior tech correspondent, covering technology and culture for a decade and a former reporter for 60 Minutes.

00:00 - Intro

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-          Managed Voice Phishing -

-          Managed Email Phishing -

-          Adversarial Simulations -

-          Social-Engineer channel on SLACK -

-          CLUTCH -

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03:23 - Laurie Segall intro

04:20 - Starting your career in the "wee hours"

07:54 - Was journalism always the goal?

12:31 - Navigating chaos

15:57 - Taking on Revenge Porn

21:20 - What motivated you to write about your life so early?

24:46 – Writing during the pandemic

29:50 - How lobsters grow

35:44 - Building a company

38:40 - Wearing 2 hats

40:54 - Who would you consider your biggest mentors?

-          CNN Digital – Susan Grant

43:38 - Book Recommendations:

-          Slouching Towards Bethlehem - Joan Didion

-          (Laurie’s book) Special Characters - Laurie Segall

45:56 - Find Laurie Segall online

-          Website link:

-          Instagram: @LaurieSegall & @d3_network

-          Twitter: @LaurieSegall & @d3_network

48:32 - Guest Wrap Up & Outro



Today we are joined by Patrick McAndrew. As the Founder & CEO of HARA, Patrick focuses on developing the whole person, knowing that high performance is determined by how you live – not just how you work.


Patrick helps develop habits of mind to thrive in competitive environments. He has trained leaders and high-performing teams to bring more structure into their lives for greater: Focus; Energy; Productivity; Mental Resilience & Life Balance.


With a background in corporate law, Patrick moved into sales, leading the expansion of BriteVenue across North America, the #1 venue software for weddings and events.


In 2018, Patrick worked with Iris as a high performance coach and instructor to Hedge Funds, Investment Banks and MBA programs at Ivy League Universities. During the same period Patrick launched his first business - an audio marketing business which launched Spotify's first global audio marketing campaign to brands and agencies.


In 2019, Patrick launched Momentum Mind, which would become HARA to help organizations develop the whole human. [July 10, 2023]


00:00 - Intro

00:17 - Intro Links

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-          Managed Voice Phishing -

-          Managed Email Phishing -

-          Adversarial Simulations -

-          Social-Engineer channel on SLACK -

-          CLUTCH -

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03:03 - Patrick McAndrew Intro

04:43 - Making Sense of the Path

08:41 - Your Attention is All You Have

14:31 - Our Issues with Paradox

20:37 - Gaining Control of Our Attention

24:29 - Trading Impact for Activity

27:22 - Being Led by Values

31:11 - Value-Driven Results

32:57 - Making Space

36:13 - A Break Needs to be a Break

41:46 Mentors:

-          Mother

-          Marshall McLuhan

-          John O'Donohue

-          L.M. Sacasas

43:26 - Book Recommendations

-          Ancient Futures - Helena Norberg-Hodge

-          Stand Out of Our Light - James Williams

-          The Boy Who Was Raised as a Dog - Bruce D. Perry

46:41 - Find Patrick McAndrew online

-          LinkedIn: in/patrickmcandrewonline/

-          Substack:

-          Website:

-          Website:

47:38 - Guest Wrap Up & Outro



Today we are joined by Dr. David Rawaf. Dr. Rawaf is a surgeon, researcher, technologist, innovator and policy developer. As well as studying and working in both UK and US, David is involved with Imperial College WHO Collaborating Centre (for Public Health Education & Training), as well as medical writing, research and hosting conferences. David has a role as Surgical Skill Faculty and is Centre Accredited by the Royal College of Surgeons. In addition, he is an abstract and content reviewer for a number of institutions including the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation amongst a number of other scientific societies. In addition, David is the Clinical Excellence Lead for Inovus Medical, the world-leaders in high-fidelity medical and surgical simulation, and beyond this is also heavily involved in medical device & software consulting, including validation, accreditation and approval through bodies such as the FDA. David is a Co-Executive Director for the International Organization for Reconstruction for war torn-countries, and a Director for QCapital Ventures specializing in tailored start-up advice including investment acquisition, financial & business-strategy and scale up methods. [June 12, 2023]


00:00 - Intro

00:34 - Intro Links

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-          Managed Voice Phishing -

-          Managed Email Phishing -

-          Adversarial Simulations -

-          Social-Engineer channel on SLACK -

-          CLUTCH -

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03:18 - Dr. David Rawaf Intro

05:01 - From Studies to Startups

07:22 - Practice Makes Perfect

09:16 - How do you "simulate" surgery?

11:48 - Simulation Benefits

14:47 - Redefining Fidelity

19:16 - Augmented Over Virtual

20:30 - Minority Report

23:08 - Google Glass 2.0

25:48 - Depressing Desire

29:39 - Stop Thinking!

35:33 - The Value of Support

41:17 – Mentors

-          Professor Adrian Wilson

-          Professor Fares Haddad

-          Father

-          Late Uncle

46:33 - Book Recommendations

-          The Genius Zone - Gay Hendricks

-          The 15 Commitments of Conscious Leadership - Jim Dethmer, Kaley Klemp & Diana Chapman

50:02 - Find Dr. Rawaf online

-          LinkedIn:

-          Twitter:

-          David’s Paper: Effect of Suppressing Thoughts of Desire to Smoke on Ratings of Desire to Smoke and Tobacco Withdrawal Symptoms

50:51 - Guest Wrap Up & Outro



(Original Air Date: 01/10/2022)


This month Chris Hadnagy is joined by the fascinating Amy Herman. Amy is a lawyer and an art historian who uses works of art to sharpen observation, analysis, and communication skills. She developed her Art of Perception seminar in 2000 and since then has worked with the New York City Police Department, the FBI, Department of Defense, Fortune 500 companies and more. She is also a TED speaker and an author of 2 books. Her latest book, “Fixed: How to Perfect the Fine Art of Problem-Solving was just released in December of 2021.


00:00 – Intro

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-          Managed Voice Phishing -

-          Managed Email Phishing -

-          Adversarial Simulations -

-          Social-Engineer channel on SLACK -

-          CLUTCH -

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-          Human Behavior Conference

02:39 - Amy Herman Intro

04:17 - Tell us how you got to where you are today

07:12 - How did you get to the conclusion where two different people from the same class have different needs?

10:00 - Is there an equation or secret about how an everyday person can use that skill?

13:33 - Amy's new book, “Fixed” (put full title here)

15:00 - How did you come up with the concept of this book?

18:00 - What is the hope you want for people who read this?

19:52 - How has the past 18 months changed the concepts of visual intelligence?

25:55 - Are you going to keep virtual training?

29:50 - Being more empathetic and finding common ground

32:31 - Can you explain “pertinent negative” from your book?

35:34 - Tell the story about your book cover

40:36 - Besides yours what are some of your favorite books?

-          (Amy’s book) Fixed.: How To Perfect The Fine Art of Problem Solving

-          (Amy’s book) Visual Intelligence: Sharpen Your Perception, Change Your Life

-          The Boys In The Boat – Nine Americans and Their Quest for the Gold - by Daniel James Brown

43:27 - Who is your greatest mentor?

-          Angela Merkel

45:15 - Guest Wrap Up

-          Website:

-          Twitter:

-          Instagram: @AmyHermanAOP

Today we are joined by Tommy Honton. Tommy is a writer and experienced designer specializing in the intersection of interactivity and narrative. He has produced work around the world for audiences of all sizes and regularly lectures about design. He is also the co-creator of the award-winning escape room Stash House. [May 8, 2023]


00:00 – Intro

00:22 – Intro Links

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-          Managed Voice Phishing -

-          Managed Email Phishing -

-          Adversarial Simulations -

-          Social-Engineer channel on SLACK -

-          CLUTCH -

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03:40 - Tommy Honton Intro                                                      

04:25 - How did Escape Rooms become your career?                                      

06:19 - The Hero of Your Journey                                                             

08:42 - Crafting a Non-Linear Narrative                                                 

15:47 - Go with the Flow                                                              

19:33 - More than Words                                                            

24:45 - I'm Not Just the President...                                                        

29:06 - Some Stranger Things                                                     

34:34 - The Florida Market and Beyond                                                 

36:22 - Who would you consider your greatest mentors?

-          Marty Parker

-          Sean Stewart

39:00 - Book Recommendations

-          Sex at Dawn - Christopher Ryan & Cacilda Jethá

-          Sapiens - Yuval Noah Harari

-          Blood, Seat, and Pixels - Jason Schreier

-          Press Reset - Jason Schreier                        

40:56 - MORTY: The Escape Room App

-          Site: Morty                                                        

42:41 - Find Tommy online

-          Website:

43:25 - Guest Wrap Up & Outro



Today we are joined by Alex “Skipguru” Price. Alex is a nationally recognized expert on the Art of Skip Tracing with over 35 years of experience in the skip-tracing, FinTech and Bail Bonds industries. He is a keynote speaker and author of the Skip-Tracers National Certification Program, Florida Public Records Guide, and the Military Installations Guide. Alex is a contributor for several industry magazines and post-pandemic, has become a popular content matter expert podcast guest.  Currently he is the Director of Training and Development for LocateSmarter.


He has become a highly sought-after speaker in the bail enforcement, private investigations and FinTech space. He combines old school skip-tracing methods with new age cyber-tracking technology to equip attendees with the tools that he gained through invaluable experience.  Alex balances the hard facts about skips with just the right amount of humor and a touch of southern charm. Special achievements would include being the first and only Tracer ever admitted as a member to the American Recovery Association (ARA) and Time Finance Adjusters (TFA).


His most important jobs are that of a father and husband, as well as his work with the ILF (Innocent Lives Foundation). He resides in Mobile, Alabama, with his wife and two children. [April 10, 2023]


00:00 – Intro

00:26 – Intro Links

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-          Managed Voice Phishing -

-          Managed Email Phishing -

-          Adversarial Simulations -

-          Social-Engineer channel on SLACK -

-          CLUTCH -

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03:05 - Alex "Skipguru" Price Intro

05:15 - What is Skip Tracing?

07:30 - Reasons for a Skiptracer

07:56 - Skip to the 80's

09:39 - What's in a name?

13:40 - 3 Types of Skips

17:46 - The Prevalence of Fraud

19:17 - The Magic Three

23:31 - Post-Covid Issues

26:31 - War Stories

31:06 - Send me a Postcard

34:48 - Cocaine Cowboys

36:42 - Who would you consider your greatest mentors?

40:30 - Book Recommendations

-          How to Tell If Someone Is Lying - Gavin Stone

-          Doc: A Novel - Mary Doria Russell

-          Churchill: Walking with Destiny - Andrew Roberts

44:26 - Find Alex online

-          LinkedIn: in/alex-skipguru-price-012b2a27/

-          Facebook: groups/skipgurusTribe

-          Website:

46:05 - Guest Wrap Up & Outro



Today we are joined by Gena Cox, PhD. Gena is a corporate adviser and executive coach known as a straight-shooter who also brings warmth and generosity of spirit to her partnerships. She guides CEOs, leaders, and boards as they respond to evolving stakeholder expectations and transformation driven by societal change and organic and M&A growth. Her differentiator is the nuanced insights and recommendations she brings from a lifetime of continuous multi-disciplinary learning, enabling her to offer clients uniquely invaluable insights. Her book, Leading Inclusion, is available wherever books are sold. The book catalyzes executive leaders to drive inclusion from the top of their organizations.  [March 13, 2023]


00:00 – Intro

00:20 – Intro Links

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-          Managed Voice Phishing -

-          Managed Email Phishing -

-          Adversarial Simulations -

-          Social-Engineer channel on SLACK -

-          CLUTCH -

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02:43 - Gena Cox Intro

04:00 - What was the path to becoming a Leadership Advisor?

07:25 - Dealing With the Frustration

09:24 - The Immigrant Experience

11:27 - The Need for a Strategy

16:08 - Inclusion Tops Diversity

19:32 - Are You REDI?

20:52 - A Leadership Problem

24:33 - Chief Transformation Officer

27:21 - From the Top Down

30:33 - Don't Assume, Ask!

33:54 - Is there anybody listening?

38:05 - Find Gena Cox online

-          Website:

-          LinkedIn: in/genacox

-          Instagram: @genacoxphd

-          Twitter: @genacox

38:54 - Book Recommendations

-          Can We Talk? - Roberta Chinsky Matuson

-          TED Talks - Chris Anderson

-          Leading Inclusion - Gena Cox

42:00 - Who would you consider your greatest mentors?

-          Maternal Grandmother

-          Lawrence W. Hamilton

45:19 - Guest Wrap Up & Outro



Today we are joined by Dr. Cortney S. Warren, a board-certified clinical psychologist and former tenured associate professor of psychology at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas.

Dr. Warren is an expert on addictions, self-deception, eating pathology, and the practice of psychotherapy from a cross-cultural perspective. With almost 50 peer reviewed journal articles, 7 book chapters, two books, and 75 professional presentations, Dr. Warren’s work appears in some of the field's top journals. She has won some of the most prestigious awards in her field.

In addition to publishing in scientific, peer-reviewed journals, Dr. Warren is passionate about bringing psychological research to the general public. She works as a research consultant, keynote speaker, and writes a blog for Psychology Today. This month, she published a self-help book on love addiction and breakups called Letting Go of Your Ex. [Feb 13, 2023]

00:00 – Intro

00:22 – Intro Links

04:01 - Dr. Cortney Warren Intro

05:51 - A Personal and Professional Merging of Experiences

07:41 - Freedom in the Hard Truth

09:43 - The Path from Honest Liars

11:54 - Core Struggle: Addictive Behaviors

15:09 - The War Inside Your Head

16:48 - Hold Up a Mirror

18:18 - The Role of Self Deception (In Love)

22:08 - Addicted to Love

24:40 - When the Honeymoon is Over

28:37 - Guided by Values

31:42 - The Importance of Alignment

34:10 - Leading By Example

36:06 - A Call for Compassion

38:49 - Find Dr. Cortney Warren online

40:09 - Who do you consider your greatest mentors?

41:10 - My Grandmother: A Lesson in Resilience

44:09 - Book Recommendations

46:08 - Guest Wrap Up                                

46:48 – Outro

Today we are joined by Robert Kerbeck. Robert is the founder of the Malibu Writers Circle, a lifetime member of the Actors Studio, and a graduate of the University of Pennsylvania. His true crime memoir about his secret career as a corporate spy, RUSE: Lying the American Dream from Hollywood to Wall Street, has received praise from Frank Abagnale and former CIA Agent Valerie Plame. Kerbeck’s writing has appeared in numerous publications including the Los Angeles Times, the San Francisco Chronicle, Los Angeles Magazine, and Lithub’s Crime Reads. [Jan 25, 2023] 

00:00 – Intro  

00:26 – Intro Links 

02:21 – Robert Kerbeck Intro  

03:28 – How do you "stumble" into becoming a corporate spy?  

06:51 – Going inside: This is Social Engineering  

08:29 – Very Dark Grey  

10:33 – We Need to Talk About Kevin  

11:25 – Making OJ look good  

15:25 – Doing what LinkedIn can't  

19:54 – Making the lie sound better than the truth  

21:13 – Setting boundaries  

22:21 – Hacking people is easy  

24:46 – Some need convincing  

26:08 – Ransomware  

28:38 – No spies here!  

30:03 – This isn't going away!  

31:08 – Knock, knock  

32:35 – Hacking the human  

34:59 – Find Robert Kerbeck online 

35:43 – Who do you consider your mentors? 

36:49 – Book Recommendations: 

38:00 – Guest Wrap Up  

38:26 – Outro 

Welcome to the Social-Engineer Podcast: The Doctor Is In Series – where we will discuss understandings and developments in the field of psychology.  


In today’s episode, Chris and Abbie are discussing: Natural born killers, or monsters in the making? 

We are all curious about the origins of evil and violence. We see a story on the news and ask ourselves, how could anyone do that? So, let’s dive into how. We are not going to cover specific cases and talk about specific serial killers, because you lose the science and we “celebritize” serial killers.  [Dec 05, 2022] 


00:00 – Intro 

00:19 – Dr. Abbie Maroño Intro 

00:52 – Intro Links 

03:37 – The topic of the day: Natural born killers, or monsters in the making? 

04:48 – Born this way? 

08:25 – The "X" Factor 

10:11 – Self-soothing 

13:18 – The importance of Anxiety 

14:34 – Made by the military 

15:23 – You can't pick and choose 

18:18 – Gag reflex 

19:50 – Who's to blame? 

20:59 – The "Criminal Gene" fallacy 

24:39 – A happy ending 

26:50 – “This isn't set in stone” 

29:31 – Silver Linings 

31:13 – “It's a bit of both” 

32:02 – Misguided markers 

35:42 – Is there prevention? 

39:05 – Minority Report 

41:18 – An unsupportive system 

42:34 – Touch is vital! 

45:26 – An interesting (NOT FUN!) quote 

46:27 – Wrap Up 

47:07 – The request lines are open! 

47:35 – Outro 



Entail, W. D. A. S. K. (2021). Are Serial Killers Born or Made?. 


Johnson, B. R., & Becker, J. V. (1997). Natural born killers?: The development of the sexually sadistic serial killer. Journal of the American Academy of Psychiatry and the Law Online, 25(3), 335-348. 


Ioana, I. M. (2013). No one is born a serial killer!. Procedia-Social and Behavioral Sciences, 81, 324-328. 


Mitchell, H., & Aamodt, M. G. (2005). The incidence of child abuse in serial killers. Journal of Police and Criminal Psychology, 20(1), 40-47. 


Miller, L. (2014). Serial killers: I. Subtypes, patterns, and motives. Aggression and Violent Behavior, 19(1), 1-11. 


Wiest, J. B. (2016). Casting cultural monsters: Representations of serial killers in US and UK news media. Howard Journal of Communications, 27(4), 327-346. 


Wrangham, R. W., Wilson, M. L., & Muller, M. N. (2006). Comparative rates of violence in chimpanzees and humans. Primates, 47(1), 14-26. 


Newton-Fisher, N. E., & Thompson, M. E. (2012). Comparative evolutionary perspectives on violence. 


Marono, A. J., Reid, S., Yaksic, E., & Keatley, D. A. (2020). A behaviour sequence analysis of serial killers’ lives: From childhood abuse to methods of murder. Psychiatry, psychology and law, 27(1), 126-137. 


Marono, A., & Keatley, D. A. (2022). An investigation into the association between cannibalism and serial killers. Psychiatry, Psychology and Law, 1-12. 


Entail, W. D. A. S. K. (2021). Are Serial Killers Born or Made?. 


Njelesani, J., Hashemi, G., Cameron, C., Cameron, D., Richard, D., & Parnes, P. (2018). From the day they are born: a qualitative study exploring violence against children with disabilities in West Africa. BMC public health, 18(1), 1-7. 


Boyle, K. (2001). What's natural about killing? Gender, copycat violence and Natural Born Killers. Journal of Gender Studies, 10(3), 311-321. 


Formosa, P. (2008). The problems with evil. Contemporary Political Theory, 7(4), 395-415. 

Today we are joined by Stephanie Paul. Stephanie is an actress, a trainer, and keynote speaker. She has over 30 years of experience in the entertainment industry and she uses that now as she coaches and trains executives, sales teams, Tedx speakers and experts of all kinds to become master communicators. She is also a proud member of EOA and on the board of the directors of the Alzheimer’s Association in Orange County. She is an active member of WIB, and the Vice Chair of Young Women in Bio. 

[Nov 14th, 2022] 

00:00 – Intro  

00:23 – Intro Links 

02:10 – Stephanie Paul Intro 

02:59 – How did you go from acting to coaching communications? 

06:34 – Dark Side of the Moon 

08:03 – The Magic of Story 

09:14 – Can anyone learn to use storytelling? 

11:43 – Practice, practice, practice! 

13:49 – How is storytelling used in Leadership? 

16:31 – Reflecting your values 

18:15 – The beauty of mistakes 

21:32 – You're not born with it! 

23:28 – Mentorship 

28:32 – The importance of Accountability 

30:10 – Make them want the banana 

33:24 – Valley Girl 

35:39 – Find Stephanie Paul online 

36:50 – Women In Leadership 

37:49 – Book Recommendations: 

40:55 Who are your greatest mentors? 

44:42 – Guest Wrap Up 

45:17 – Outro 

Today we are joined by David Hill. David is currently a licensed real estate broker in Massachusetts and is also a Success Certified Business Coach and Cardone University Sales Trainer. Davis has been a top producing real estate agent for over 18 years as well as a phone sales trainer with over 36 years’ sales experience in multiple industries. David is also the host of the Path to Mastery podcast and the author of two books, “The Sales Playbook” and “Getting your Quality of Life back”. David also enjoys traveling, spending time with his 3 daughters and his wife, and enjoys exercise as a triathlete who has competed in an Ironman Race. [Oct 10th, 2022] 


00:00 – Intro  

00:20 – Intro Links 

01:41 – David Hill Intro 

02:41 – How did you get started in sales? 

03:51 – The way sales have changed over the decades  

07:15 – Improving your quality of life 

09:45 – Setting Standards 

11:48 – Getting over the fear of setting boundaries 

16:38 – The Power of Resilience 

19:37 – Developing your own Grit 

23:14 – Steps to finding your passion 

28:48 – Strategic Thought Time 

31:28 Who are your greatest mentors? 

33:42 – Book Recommendations: 

36:36 – Find David Hill online 

37:26 – Guest Wrap Up 

37:54 – Outro 

Today Chris is talking with Ronald E. Riggio, Ph.D., the Henry R. Kravis Professor of Leadership and Organizational Psychology and former Director of the Kravis Leadership Institute at Claremont McKenna College. Dr. Riggio is a social/personality psychologist and leadership scholar with more than a dozen authored or edited books and more than 150 articles/book chapters. His research interests are in leadership and organizational communication, particularly leader nonverbal communication, and emotional competence.  He is part of the Fullerton Longitudinal Study that is examining leadership development across the lifespan (beginning at 1 year of age and continuing through adulthood).   

 [Sept 12th, 2022] 


00:00 – Intro  

00:20 – Intro Links 

03:02 – Dr. Ron Riggio Intro 

04:13 – How did you become a professor of leadership? 

07:41 – What year did you start focusing on charisma? 

09:16 – The importance of charisma for leadership 

12:49 – How does one learn to develop personal charisma? 

15:27 – How important is getting gestures right? 

18:22 – The benefits of showing emotional expressions 

21:41 – Dynamic Attractiveness 

23:45 – What can I do to become a better leader? 

26:51 – Transformational Leadership 

28:34 – Leaders need to know their followers 

29:41 – How do you lead at scale? 

32:42 – Developing leadership capacity in others 

35:44 – The attraction to the "Strong Man" 

40:11 – Spare the rod 

44:16 – Who do you consider your biggest mentors? 

47:04 – Book Recommendations: 

50:58 – Find Dr. Riggio on the web 

51:54 – Guest Wrap Up 

52:28 – Outro 

Today Chris is talking with Hala Taha. Hala, who has been dubbed the “The Podcast Princess,” is the host of Young and Profiting (YAP) Podcast, which is frequently ranked as a #1 Education podcast across all apps. Hala is also the founder and CEO of YAP Media, a social media and podcast marketing agency for top podcasters, celebrities and CEOs. She is well-known for her engaged following and influence on LinkedIn, and she landed the January 2021 cover of Podcast Magazine. 


Hala is an expert on networking, personal branding, leadership, social media, side hustles, entrepreneurship and podcasting. [Aug 8th, 2022] 


00:00 – Intro  

02:05 – Hala Taha Intro 

03:14 – How did you end up running a media company? 

05:43 – The journey towards starting YAP Media 

07:01 – The early days of podcasting 

09:22 – Resources for podcasting (2018 vs 2022) 

10:38 – How did you transform a podcast into a media company? 

16:20 – Taking Risks vs Being Smart 

18:29 – The importance of pure intentions 

20:44 – The secrets to finding like-minded team members 

21:56 – What have been your biggest struggles while growing your company? 

22:52 – Quality time with a remote team 

24:51 – Maintaining the work-culture across time zones 

26:35 – Tips for starting out 

30:25 – Building the right foundation 

32:27 – Find Hala online 

33:15 – Who have been your mentors? 

35:21 – Book Recommendations: 

36:17 – Guest Wrap Up 

36:28 – Outro 

Today Chris is talking with Laurie Segall. Laurie is the founder of Dot Dot Dot, a media company focused on onboarding the mainstream into a new era of the internet, Web3. Laurie is an award-winning journalist who has interviewed the world’s most influential tech leaders including Mark Zuckerberg and Tim Cook. Prior, she was CNN’s senior tech correspondent, covering technology and culture for a decade and a former reporter for 60 Minutes. [July 11, 2022] 

00:00 – Intro 

04:20 – Starting your career in the "wee hours"  

07:54 – Was journalism always the goal? 

12:31 – Navigating chaos 

15:57 – Taking on Revenge Porn 

21:20 – What motivated you to write about your life so early? 

24:46 – Writing during the pandemic 

29:50 – How lobsters grow  

35:44 – Building a company 

38:40 – Wearing 2 hats 

40:54 – Who would you consider your biggest mentors? 

43:38 – Book Recommendations: 

45:56 – Find Laurie Segall online 

  • Website link: 
  • Instagram: @LaurieSegall & @d3_network 
  • Twitter: @LaurieSegall & @d3_network 

48:32 – Guest Wrap Up & Outro 

Today Chris is talking with Clay Drinko, Ph.D. Clay is an author and educator. He writes for Psychology Today about the intersection between improv comedy, science, and everyday life. He's also the author of the first academic book connecting improv and cognitive science, Theatrical Improvisation, Consciousness, and Cognition. His most recent book, Play Your Way Sane, was published by Simon & Schuster last year and applies his improv research to everyday life. [June 14, 2022] 

00:00 – Intro 

02:27 – Clay Drinko intro 

03:27 – How does someone in Improv decide to study Cognitive Science? 

05:46 – Losing anxiousness through performance 

07:34 – The importance of a shift in focus 

08:52 – Active Listening 

11:41 – Yes, and... 

14:01 – Don't try to be funny 

15:54 – Establishing "who" and "where" you are 

18:57 – How do you apply Cognitive Science to the idea of improv? 

21:56 – Leaving your "baggage" at the door 

25:13 – Managing the negative 

26:40 – What are the biggest life skills you've learned from improv? 

28:13 – Reflective questioning - Empathy or Selfishness? 

31:03 – You are not special 

34:29 – Do you want my help? 

37:37 – Find Clay Drinko online 

38:13 – Book Recommendations: 

40:34 – Who would you consider your biggest mentors? 

43:14 – Guest Wrap Up 

44:04 – Outro 

Today we will be talking with Abbie Maroño, a nonverbal communications and social influence coach. Abbie published her first paper in nonverbal communication at 19 years old, going on to do her PhD in behavior analysis and become a university lecturer at 23. She now directs a research group, BRINC, alongside her coaching and teaching. [May 9, 2022] 

00:00 – Intro 

04:47 – At what point in your life did you want to become a Nonverbal expert? 

06:56 – The reality of getting to where you want to be 

08:39 – What kept you going after rejections? 

11:15 – How does a person learn to find their passion? 

14:06 – How did you decide to make Nonverbal Communications a career? 

17:53 – How important is Open VS Closed Body Language? 

23:00 – What is orientation and why does it matter? 

27:49 – The role of body language in a virtual setting 

33:30 – The "perception" of eye-contact in a video call 

35:31 – Find Abbie Maroño on the web 

36:05 – New Job Announcement 

38:16 – Who would you consider your biggest mentors? 

Today we will be talking with Vanessa Bohns. Vanessa is a social psychologist and professor of organizational behavior at Cornell University. She holds a PhD from Columbia University and an AB from Brown University. Her writing has appeared in the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, and Harvard Business Review, and her research has been widely featured in the media, including The Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, The Atlantic, The Economist, and on NPR’s Hidden Brain. Her first book, You Have More Influence Than You Think, was just published in September 2021. [April 11, 2022]

00:00 – Intro

01:53 – Vanessa Bohns intro

02:43 – How did you make Social Influence your field?

05:48 – Why do we assume people will be negative when we make a request?

08:01 – The surprising results of asking for things

11:12 – We are wired to be agreeable

13:34 – What are the security implications of our default attitudes?

16:59 – What are the consequences of underestimating your own influence?

19:32 – Understanding how the situation can influence ethics

21:05 – What would you say is your favorite find?

21:48 – Enlisting someone to influence their ethics

24:00 – Paying attention to the human side of security

25:04 – What is your next study?

27:11 – The importance of a predefined script

28:54 – Will "keywords" change a person’s sense of agreeability?

30:10 – Recognizing your own influence

31:41 – Who would you consider some of your biggest mentors?

  • Frank Flynn – Professor
  • Father

33:39 – Book Recommendations:

35:47 – Guest Wrap Up

36:17 – Find Vanessa Bohns on the web

36:49 – Outro


This month we are joined by Dr. Camille Preston, who is the CEO and founder of AIM Leadership. Since founding AIM Leadership in 2004, she has worked with leaders across sectors and the capital stack. As a business psychologist, Camille brings research and insights from psychology, neuroscience, and business to her work. Whether supporting Fortune 500 leaders, startup founders, or C-suite executives in healthcare, Camille's sweet spot is helping uncover hidden barriers to increase the capacity to optimize, innovate, and manage change.   

In addition to working as a coach and business psychologist, Camille is author of two books, a regular contributor to several established publications in the business and psychology fields, and the author of a growing library of actionable resource tools.  

A life-long challenge seeker, Camille has lived on four continents, worked on six, and traveled extensively. [March 14, 2022] 


00:00 – Intro 

01:25 Dr. Camille Preston Intro 

02:43 How did you get into this? 

05:02 The Journey to Awareness & Mindfulness 

06:39 Building Mindfulness 

08:32 Horizontal VS Vertical Development 

10:00 Gateways of Vertical Development 

11:41 Owning Mistakes 

14:02 Planning For Problem Solving  

15:12 Building Trust 

16:21 Authentic Connections in a Virtual World 

19:24 Mental Health Pandemic 

21:25 The Importance of Great Leadership 

22:41 Integrating Head and Heart 

23:53 What makes someone “all heart”? 

26:51 The Importance of Leaving Your Country 

29:45 – Who are your greatest mentors? 

33:36 – Book Recommendations: 

35:21 – Guest Wrap Up 

35:37 – Outro 

This is a special edition of Social-Engineer's Human Element Series Podcast.  Chris Hadnagy will discuss Covid-19 testing site scams, and how you can protect yourself against them. [January 14, 2022]


00:00 – Intro

00:21 – Covid-19 Testing Site Physical Scams

05:46 – Other types of scams during Covid-19

06:44 – Outro


This month Chris Hadnagy is joined by the fascinating Amy Herman. Amy is a lawyer and an art historian who uses works of art to sharpen observation, analysis, and communication skills. She developed her Art of Perception seminar in 2000 and since then has worked with the New York City Police Department, the FBI, Department of Defense, Fortune 500 companies and more. She is also a TED speaker and an author of 2 books. Her latest book, “Fixed: How to Perfect the Fine Art of Problem-Solving was just released in December of 2021. She is also going to be bringing her fascinating training seminar to the Human Behavior Conference this March! [January 10, 2022] 


00:00 – Intro 

02:39 -  Amy Herman Intro 

04:17 – Tell us how you got to where you are today 

07:12 – How did you get to the conclusion where two different people from the same class have different needs? 

10:00 – Is there an equation or secret about how an every day person can use that skill? 

13:33 – Amy's new book, “Fixed”

15:00 – How did you come up with the concept of this book? 

18:00 – What is the hope you want for people who read this? 

19:52 – How has the past 18 months changed the concepts of visual intelligence? 

25:55 – Are you going to keep virtual training? 

29:50 – Being more empathetic and finding common ground 

32:31 – Can you explain “pertinent negative” from your book? 

35:34 – Tell the story about your book cover 

40:36 – Besides yours what are some of your favorite books? 


Instagram: @AmyHermanAOP 

This month Chris Hadnagy is joined by our good friend, Anne-Maartje Oud. For 20 years Anne-Maartje has been a behavioral advisor, consultant, chairwoman, and keynote speaker. On top of that she is the CEO and founder of The Behavior Company based in Amsterdam where she helps customize personal development programs for companies and organizations worldwide.  

Anne-Maartje is also a trainer who gives lectures and training at several universities in the Netherlands. She is also going to be a trainer at the Human Behavior Conference in March 2022.  

[December 13, 2021] 

00:00 – Intro 

03:12 – Anne-Maartje intro 

04:22 – What got you started in conflict resolution? 

06:23 – Can you teach people to control behavior that’s based on emotion? 

08:53 – Before words come out, what would you tell someone to do to not react and show that emotion? 

12:30 – How do you start a conversation that leads to some benefit? 

15:35 – What if that doesn’t work? 

17:41 – How do you instruct people to remember it all? 

19:51 – How important is understanding for managers and leaders? 

20:52 - How would you instruct managers to go about learning this? 

22:27 – Do you find that companies that have upper level management that focus on behavioral analysis have less conflict down the ladder? 

27:01 – HuBe Con – what will you do there? 

29:24 – Joe Navarro co session – what is that session all about? 

36:51 – Finding Anne Maartje on the web: 

37:39 – Book Recommendations: 

Shakespeare’s Plays – favorite is Hamlet 

39:24 – Who would you consider your biggest mentors? 

41:09 – Outro 

This month, Chris Hadnagy is joined by Marilise de Villiers.  Marilise is a mindset and performance coach, a TEDX speaker, and a cybersecurity awareness, culture, and talent expert. While at one time she was a female executive in a Big Four consulting firm she is now the founder and CEO of her own company, ROAR! Coaching and Consulting, which helps people find their purpose, their power, and gives people the courage to speak their truth.  November 8, 2021 


00:00 – Intro 


04:35 – What made you leave an amazing corporate company and forge a path for yourself? 

08:09 – How did you escape the bad things in your life and turn into a person who helps other people find their strength? 

10:47 – How did you get out of the cycle of abuse? 

14:42 – Figuring out the role you play and taking back the power 

17:06 – Finding a hobby 

21:00 – How did you come upon this trifecta of things to better yourself? 

25:10 –What have you found is the overwhelmingly common problem that people have when you first start working with them on bettering themselves? 

27:56 – Changing your “self” view 

30:32 – What would be a suggestion to give someone to “start today”? 

34:35 – How do you suggest people find balance when most of us have spent most of our lives being imbalanced? 

37:20 – How has this life change for you affected your kids? 

38:55 – Who do you consider your greatest mentors? 

  • Family: Mom, dad, grandmother, grandfather 

41:05 – What books would you recommend to our listeners? 


43:15 – How to find Marilise 

44:40 – Outro  

This month Chris Hadnagy is joined by Dr. Jessica Barker. Jessica is an award-winning global leader in the human side of cyber security. She is Co-Founder and co-CEO of Cygenta, where she follows her passion of positively influencing cyber security awareness, behaviour and culture in organisations around the world. Jessica was also named one of the top 20 most influential women in cyber security in the UK and is the former Chair of ClubCISO. She is the author of the best-selling book Confident Cyber Security: how to get started in cyber security and futureproof your career AND co-author of Cybersecurity ABCs: delivering awareness, behaviours and culture change.   October 11, 2021.

00:00 – Intro 

Managed Voice Phishing      

Managed Email Phishing      

Adversarial Simulations      


04:21 -  How did you get into cyber security? 

06:48 – What were you researching before all that? 

08:30 – How does human behavior influence technology? 

10:00 – How has Covid-19 and the world scene impacted us when it comes to security? 

14:26 – When we look on the internet at how aggressive people have gotten, and the anonymity has enabled people to be more terrible to each other, have you seen this aggression over the last 18 months affect security? 

17:20 - Bullying 

22:05 – Why is it looked at as “bad” to use bonuses when training people? 

28:00 – What are the most positive ways to do it right? 

32:37 – How would you suggest a company chooses the right “champion”? 

36:26 – Finding Jessica on the web: 

Twitter: @drjessicabarker 

Instagram: @drjessicabarker 

37:20 – Who is your greatest mentor? 

Jane Frankland – business leader in cyber security 

39:37 -  Favorite Books 

43:26 – Outro 

In this episode, Chris Hadnagy is joined by Dr. Cortney Warren. Dr. Warren is a Board-Certified Clinical Psychologist and former tenured Associate Professor of Psychology at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas (UNLV).  She is an expert on addictions, self-deception, eating pathology, and the practice of psychotherapy from a cross-cultural perspective. In addition to publishing in some of the field’s top scientific, peer-reviewed journals, Dr. Warren is passionate about bringing theoretically grounded, empirically-supported psychological research to the general public. So, in addition to her academic work, Dr. Warren is a research consultant, keynote speaker, and writes a blog for Psychology Today.  September 13, 2021


00:00 – Intro 


02:10 – Cortney Warren Intro 

03:35 – How did you get started? 

07:28 – Why is it so hard to be honest with ourselves? 

10:01 – What gets the person from “it’s easy to lie to myself” to “I’m readily open to admit this” 

13:25 – Admitting the truth is just the first step 

13:20 – There are certain ways humans lie to themselves.  One of them is “The Specialness Fallacy” 

17:43 – How do people make the change in someone who doesn’t want to make the change, they’re not at that point yet? 

21:45 – Is self-deception the same in every culture? 

25:47 – Is there a particular culture that is more honest with themselves than others? 

28:12 – Why is bringing research to the public such a mission for you? 

31:41 – How do we make the change out of self-deception? 

41:30 – Have you helped people in abusive relationships with your methods? 

44:31 – When does your book come out?

44:47 – How to reach Cortney: 

45:37 – Who is your greatest mentor? 

My mother, Karen J Warren 

48:25 – Favorite Books: 

50:16 – Outro 

In this episode, we are joined by Michael Roderick. Michael is the CEO of Small Pond Enterprises which helps thoughtful givers become thought leaders by making their brands referable, their messaging memorable, and their ideas unforgettable. He is also the host of the podcast Access to Anyone which shows how you can get to know anyone you want in business and in life using time-tested relationship-building principles. Michael's unique methodology comes from his own experience of going from being a High School English teacher to a Broadway Producer in under two years.   August 9, 2021


00:00 – Intro 


02:08 – Intro to Michael Roderick, CEO of Small Pond Enterprises


03:20 – High school teacher – where did that come from and what were you teaching?

04:17 – You moved to New York and while teaching high school, you decided you wanted to be a            producer.  How did that come about?

09:49 -  Was all of what you are saying a plan of yours, or you just did it and it worked out?

11:45 – You were doing something for these people with no ask in return.  This makes such a psychological bond with these people.  Why would you do this?

14:41 – What framework did you create out of this experience?

19:45 – You’ve got direct and indirect approach, what are the other two?

23:07 – What methods do you use to find the detail about who you are approaching for the mutually beneficial approach?

27:19 – What’s the “E”?

35:16 – Did you come up with “DIME”?

35:55 – How can an average person use the skills you talked about to cultivate a network?

39:49 – Finding Michael on the Internet:

Social Media links (not mentioned in podcast)

40:37 – Who is your greatest mentor?

41:37 – Favorite Books

In this episode, Chris Hadnagy is joined by Teresa Abram.  Teresa is the founder of Handwriting P.I., a full-service handwriting analysis business. Teresa is not only a handwriting analyzer, but also a professional personality investigator who can spot the red flags of a dangerous personality, identify someone’s strengths, and uncover what is holding someone back. Teresa’s interest in handwriting started when she was just 14 years old and has led her to hosting her own podcast, “A Most Unusual T Party” where she uses the letter T to unlock pieces of a person’s story...which is fascinating to listen to! July 12, 2021

00:00: Intro 


03:01: Teresa Abram Intro 

05:00: How did you get into this at 14 years old? 

07:50: How does one practice handwriting analysis? 

09:05: What is scary handwriting?  Psychopath scale. 

10:00: Chris’ handwriting 

11:20: Can you fool handwriting analysis? 

14:00: Can this be used by companies to vet potential employees? 

16:05: InfoSec and Handwriting are similar. All science is accurate until it’s not. 

18:35: Universal gestures  

21:53: Discussion about Social-Engineer COO Ryan 

24:19: Does Handwriting PI do handwriting analysis for employers?  Combined with other disciplines. 

26:31: Chris’ handwriting sample 

27:23: Banned by Hitler as witchcraft 

28:16: How long has handwriting analysis been around? 

28:51: Can you analyze in different languages?  How? 

  • Incongruency 
  • Methods 

34:06: Methodology continued.  Turning the paper over.  Go to the letter “t”. 

37:21: How long does handwriting analysis take to do? 

38:12: What is another way you work with companies? 

39:30: Wrap-up 

Teresa on the internet: 

Instagram: Handwriting_PI 


40:47: Teresa’s mentor - Sheila Lowe, President of the American Handwriting Analysis Foundation 

41:54: Favorite Books:  

44:00: How old is Teresa’s Daughter?  And how did she like having a Mom who would read her handwriting? 

46:00: Outro 

In this episode, Chris Hadnagy and Maxie Reynolds are joined by one of our greatest friends and mentors, Joe Navarro.  After serving as an FBI agent for 25 years, Joe has become a nonverbal and behavioral expert. Since retiring, he has authored 14 books in 29 languages dealing with human behavior and body language. His book “What Every BODY Is Saying” remains the #1 selling body-language book in the world for over 12 years.  Joe’s new book “Be Exceptional” brings 40 years of his observations and research into one book. 

 00:00 – Intro 


 June 24th: Chris at Living Security 2nd annual Breaking Security Awareness (digital conference for 2021) 

 03:54 – Joe Navarro Intro 

05:40 – Discussion on Joe’s newest book, “Be Exceptional”.  Why a book about being exceptional? 

08:41 – Is the writing style in the new book purposely like the others, where you compiled people’s behavior?  Did you start writing with this idea, or did the book come about after you had cataloged it all? 

13:16 – What is the difference between excellence and perfection? 

15:13 – “Whoever provides the most psychological comfort is going to be the soonest winner” 

16:23 – Excellence is about experience and the journey 

18:34 – How does someone get to the place where they have mastery over their emotions? 

22:50 – How do you get people to have self-awareness and humility? 

24:05 – Self-Mastery 

26:12 – What is the ranking of success, if it’s not “counting possessions”? 

28:15 – How much of excellence is habit?  Is any of excellence based on genetics? 

 29:18 – Thoughts on Usain Bolt and other runners achieving excellence 

32:44 – Thoughts on Benjamin Franklin achieving excellence 

39:42 – “Be Exceptional” comes out June 29, a bit of discussion about book release 

41:02 – Wrap Up 

How to contact Joe:  

Joe Navarro on Twitter: @NavarroTells 

42:01 – Favorite Books 

The Power of Myth – Joseph Campbell 

44:22 – Joe’s Mentors 

Mom, Dad, Grandma  

Jack Schafer  

David Givens  

Gerald Post – CIA 

47:12 – Outro – newly redesigned 

In this episode, Chris Hadnagy and Maxie Reynolds are joined by industry professional Jack Schafer, PhD.  Dr. Schafer is a psychologist, professor, intelligence consultant, and former FBI Special Agent. DrSchafer spent fifteen years conducting counter-intelligence and counterterrorism investigations, and seven years as a behavioral analyst for the FBI's National Security Division's Behavioral Analysis Program.  May 10, 2021  


00:00 - Intro 


03:32 - Introduction to Dr. Jack Schafer, PhD. 

04:54 - How Jack decided to start training people in his field after retirement 

07:46 - Why is rapport building important? 

11:49 - How do you stop rapport from being used against you? 

13:51 - Explaining “The Truth Bias” 

15:37 - Rapport works across different cultures 

18:15 - The basic human need to correct other people 

19:28 - Integrating the knowledge of that need into work as an FBI agent - “Brian’s Loop” 

23:01 - People don’t answer yes or no, they answer Yes+, No+, I Don’t Know+ 

23:19 - Flattery 

25:13 - Roundabout vs Direct Approach 

26:45 - The “right” way is the way that works for you 

29:58 - The Truth “Default Mode” and breaking the baseline 

33:05 - Verbal vs. Non-Verbal Cues 

36:19 - Get A Commitment 

37:36 - Why does getting a commitment work on humans? 

39:50 - The Lip Purse 

42:40 - Wrap Up 


44:45 - Jack’s Mentors 

46:30 - Contact Jack 

47:06 - Outro 



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In this episode of the SECurity Awareness Series of the SEPodcastChris Hadnagy and Ryan MacDougall are joined by Ashley Rose, the CEO of Living Security. Listen in as they discuss the best methods to teach cybersecurity awareness, as well as the unique advantages when using escape rooms to do so.  April 19, 2021


00:00 – Introduction 


03:12 – Introduction to Ashley Rose 

04:31 – Ashley’s path into cybersecurity awareness 

10:59 – Developing an escape room that teaches cybersecurity 

15:02 – How Living Security adapted to the pandemic 

22:16 – How Ashley gets the attention of potential clients 

26:00 – Why adaptive problem solving is a vital skill 

28:49 – How this training is increasing security awareness 

30:47 – The industry’s unhealthy focus on compliance 

34:41 – The science that went into developing the training 

36:49 – How training can be individualized to increase effectiveness 

41:42 – Ashley's contact info 

42:28 – Ashley's most respected colleagues 

44:40 – Ashley’s action steps that corporations should start doing right now 

49:06 – Ashley's book reccomendations 

50:13 – Outro 


Direct download: Ep._144_-_Adaptive_Problem_Solving_with_Ashley_Rose.mp3
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In this episode of the Social-Engineer podcast, Chris Hadnagy and Maxie Reynolds are joined by Dr. Ida Ngambeki, an Assistant Professor of Computer and Information Technology at Purdue University. Listen in as they discuss importance of empathy and the best ways to teach social engineering April 12, 2021

00:00 – Intro 


03:25 – Introduction to Dr. Ida Ngambeki 

04:20 – How Ida got into social engineering 

08:45 – Teaching the next generation of social engineers 

11:30 – Teaching the distinct aspects of social engineering 

17:05 – The difference between a pentester and a malicious actor 

19:01 – The importance of bias and assumptions 

20:36 – Ida’s unconventional path to social engineering expertise 

24:42 – The importance of empathy in security education 

27:50 – The three aspects of empathy 

30:04 – Diversity in the information security industry 

34:22 – Chris getting held at gunpoint 

39:50 – The problem with fear-based pretexts 

42:32 - Ida’s industry mentors 

Donna Riley   

Demitra Evangelou   

Melisa Dark   

Alejandrah Magana  

William Gratiano   

Mark Rogers 

45:14 – Ida's book recommendations 

47:59 – Ida's contact info 

49:23 – Maxie's book 

51:02 - Outro 

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In this episode, Chris Hadnagy and Maxie Reynolds are joined by ex-FBI Spy Catcher and now world renowned Trust and Rapport expert, Robin Dreeke. Listen in as they discuss the importance of mentoring, TRUST and relationship building. - March 8, 2021

00:09 – Intro 

01:43 – Introduction to Robin Dreeke 

03:35 – The importance of mentoring 

09:37 – The levels of mentoring 

11:05 – How to find a mentor 

14:18 – How to choose a mentee 

18:49 – Building genuine relationships and partnerships 

21:11 – Teaching transparency 

23:29 – Bringing value to a relationship and exercising transparency 

25:45 – Try to understand the reasons behind a person’s actions 

33:13 – Figurout what kind of feedback a person needs 

36:20 – Making empathy a habit 

38:01 – When emotionally hijacked, utilize tactical empathy 

41:17 – Is it better to confront or adapt to miscommunication? 

47:08 – Robin's current projects and info 

51:51 – Robin's most respected colleagues 

52:55 – Robin's book recommendations 

56:17 - Outro 


Direct download: Ep._141_-_Do_You_Want_to_be_Mentored_with_Robin_Dreeke.mp3
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In this episode, Chris Hadnagy and Maxie Reynolds are joined by writer, speaker, business owner, and hype artist, Michael F. Schein. Michael shares the social engineering tactics he was able to learn from cult leaders and mischief makersFind out how these often-manipulative tactics can be used for good.  - Feb 8, 2021

00:09 – Introduction 

01:44 – Introduction to Michael F. Schein 

02:30 – How Michael figured out that we can learn from cult leaders and mischief makers 

10:38 - Influence through disruption 

11:44 – Make war not love 

13:21 – Basecamp: Simplicity by hating complexity 

16:21 – Building hype requires confidence 

18:15 – Focus on what you want to be known for 

26:06 – Create a secret society 

30:27 – How Michael socially engineered himself onto the podcast 

35:34 – The positive side of hype 

37:43 – Chris, Maxie and Michael's favorite music 

43:03 – Michael's most respected colleagueMichael Roderick 

44:21 – Michael's book recommendations: 


47:10 – Michael's contact info 


48:39 – Outro 



In this special episode, Chris Hadnagy joins Maxie Reynolds to talk about the amazing stories and useful lessons contained in Chris’s new book: Human Hacking: Win Friends, Influence People, and Leave Them Better Off for Having Met You”. Listen as Chris delves into the process of making “Human Hacking” and shares the awesome story behind its inceptionMaxie and Chris also discuss the importance of empathy especially when it comes to hacking humans.  

Chris a global security expert and master hacker. He is the founder and CEO of Social-Engineer, LLC, the creator of the popular Social Engineer Podcast, website, and newsletter, and designed “Advanced Practical Social Engineering,” the first hands-on social engineering training course and certification for law enforcement, military, and private sector professionals.  


00:09 – Introduction to Maxie Reynolds  

02:51 – Human-hacking is a skill that can be used in everyday life by everyday people 

04:19 – What it means to “Leave Them Better Off for Having Met You” 

05:50 – The martial art of the mind and how a malicious person could use it for harm 

07:39 – Empathy and why it is so important when hacking humans 

09:21 – Showing empathy while amygdala hijacked 

11:40 – Empathy is more than just putting yourself in someone else’s shoes 

14:15 – Empathy is often hierarchical 

16:33 – The power of “I’m sorry” 

18:02 – Why understanding the meaning behind someone’s actions is so important 

21:48 – Accuracy of the stories told in the book 

24:15 – The process of co-authoring the book with Seth Schulman 

26:43 – The amazing story of how the book came to be 

31:16 – How to fight the isolation and social awkwardness brought by technology and, more recently, COVID-19. 

34:46 – Giving your feedback on the book 

36:20 – A distillation of the “Advanced Practical Social Engineering” course, made applicable to everyone 

40:50 – Socially engineering the world’s best rock band 

43:51 - “Quick Fire Questions”: 

44:04 – Chris's favorite story in the book 

45:04 – Is there a stage in child development where less empathy is shown? 

46:10 – Would the new book have helped teenage Chris? 

48:01 – Is it as nicer to feel empathy yourself or receive it from someone else? 

49:49 – Balance is required when teaching empathy. 

51:19 – How we can all better our communities by learning to “Win Friends, Influence People, and Leave Them Better Off for Having Met You” 

53:35 – Chris's book recommendations 

54:56 – Outro 



Direct download: Ep._137__Human_Hacking_With_Chris_Hadnagy.mp3
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In episode 136, Chris Hadnagy and Maxie Reynolds are joined by doctor, researcher and microbloggerOsama (Sam) Qurashi. Sam was in the medical field for 15 years until he decided to travel the world and learn about unorthodox forms of psychology from experts in widely varied fields. Find out what Sam learned from these “masters of the mind” and understand how you can apply these lessons in your daily life.   


00:32 – Introduction to Dr. Osama (Sam) Qurashi

02:20 – Upcoming events and book release 

04:09 – How Sam went from psychiatric resident to academic globetrotter in search of masters of the mind 

09:30 – What Sam learned from The Joke Doctor 

11:30 – What Sam learned from The Tea Master 

16:00 – Mistakes - The two schools of thought 

18:09 – How monkeys and coconuts can help us understand acceptance 

20:00 – Linguistic psychology and how emotions are conveyed in Japanese 

23:32 – How you can form habits by staying small 

25:57 – What The Iceman and The Horse Whisperer can teach us about resistance and force 

29:11 – Sam's plan for sharing the knowledge he has acquired 

31:59 – What Sam learned from The Pickpocket 

36:59 – Why many people fail when trying something new 

38:11 – In order to learn something new, you must be able to accept temporary incompetence 

39:17 – Avoiding failure is the same as avoiding success 

41:39 – How you can improve your self-image by changing your peers 

 44:19 – What Sam learned from the samurai 

46:08 – Sam's book recommendations 

48:43 – Sam's contact info 

50:12 – Conclusion 


51:57 – Big podcast announcement!

Lisa Forte on Twitter: "Director: okay great Lisa but next time make a slightly prettier face at the camera Me: ** takes direction poorly… " In this episode, Chris Hadnagy and Maxie Reynolds are joined by social engineering and insider threats expert: Lisa Forte. Learn how Lisa went from fighting terrorists and real-life sea pirates to being an expert on cybercrime and social engineering. Discover how scammers are taking advantage of global uncertainty and understand how to protect yourself from attack.   

00:00 – Introduction to Lisa Forte 

02:38 – Lisa's path to a career in social engineering 

05:27 – The psychology that terrorists use to recruit teenagers 

07:52 – Lisa's experience with fighting cyber crime 

08:43 – Why Lisa named her cyber security company Red Goat 

10:23 – The world pandemic made hospitals and their supply chains vulnerable to attack 

14:38 – Keep secure by realizing the value of the information you possess  

15:41 - How Cyber Volunteers 19 is helping to save lives by making hospitals secure. (twitter) 

21:25 – Ego suspension is a required skill for a good social engineer 

25:47 – Find someone who gives you honest feedback 

27:28 – How Chris deals with harsh criticism 

30:27 New documentary: “hacker:HUNTER Ha(ck)cine (Part 1) (Part 2) 

34:44 – Lisa's Vlog: “Rebooting 

35:44 – Lisa's and Chris’s experience with exposure therapy.  

40:00 – How scammers take advantage of global uncertainty 

42:37 – Law enforcement has a big disadvantage when fighting cyber crime 

45:42: Lisa’s Contact info: 



Rebooting vlog with Chris 


46:56 – Lisa's Book recommendation 

Prisoners Of Geography 

50:20 – Outro   

The Human Hacking Conference 

The Innocent Lives Foundation   

Human Hacking Book 

Phishing As A Service® 

Practical Open Source Intelligence For Everyday Social Engineers 

Advanced Practical Social Engineering Training 

Direct download: Ep._135_-_Fear_of_video_and_snakes_with_Lisa_Forte.mp3
Category:Human Element Series -- posted at: 5:00am EDT

Elizabeth Loftus interview: False-memory research on eyewitnesses, child abuse recovered memories. In this episode, Chris Hadnagy and Ryan MacDougall are joined by distinguished professor: Elizabeth Loftus. Listen in to understand the vulnerabilities in human memories and how they are sometimes exploited. Learn to defend against attacks on your memory and how this info can be applied in the information security industry.  

00:01 – Introduction to Elizabeth Loftus and her research on the malleability of human memory. 

01:41 – Elizabeth's reasoning for researching human memory.  

03:12 – What our faulty memory means for eyewitness testimonies. 

04:20 – How the phrasing of a question can distort someone's memory.  

06:27 – Is it possible to verify the accuracy of a memory? 

10:34 – Trying hard to remember something can sometimes lead to the creation of a false memory. 

11:22 – Elizabeth's experience with the trial of George Franklin. 

14:13 – How can we protect ourselves from having our memories modified? 

14:21 – The similarities between preventing false memories and preventing scams. 

 20:40 – “What the heck is going on in the world of Social-Engineer: COVID Style.” 

Practical Open Source Intelligence For Everyday Social Engineers 

Advanced Practical Social Engineering Training 

The Human Hacking Conference - Orlando, FL March 11-13, 2021 

2021 Training Schedule 

Book: Human Hacking: Win Friends, Influence People, and Leave Them Better Off for Having Met You 



25:43 – How hypnosis therapy often generates false memories.  

30:21 – How to protect yourself from having your memories altered. 

32:58 – The prevalence and impact of misinformation on social media. 

38:30 – Elizabeth’s website, Ted Talk and books. 

Elizabeth F. Loftus’ UCI School of Social Ecology Website 

Ted Talk at TedGlobal 2013 

Books by Elizabeth 

39:44 – Elizabeth’s book recommendations. 

Mistakes Were Made (but Not by Me) 

41:50 – Outro   




The Innocent Lives Foundation   

The Innocent Lives Foundation on Twitter 

The Human Hacking Conference  

The Human Hacking Conference on Twitter  

Human Hacking Book 

Chris on Twitter   

Social-Engineer on Twitter  

Social-Engineer on Facebook 

Social-Engineer on LinkedIn 

Social-Engineer on Instagram  

Social-Engineer on Slack 

Jonathan Miller In this episode, Chris Hadnagy, Shelby Dacko and Jonathan Miller discuss many ways to improve your skills as a communicator. Learn the importance of observing the information your own body gives you. Hear their experiences with being amygdala hijacked, and how you can have your own superhero moment 

00:07 – Introduction to Shelby Dacko, Human Risk Analyst for Social-Engineer. 

00:44 – Introduction to Jonathan Miller and his experience resolving conflict without violence.  

02:06 – How to focus on nonviolent communication in violent circumstances 

04:18 – How to engage in productive conversation by respecting other’s opinions.  

06:24 – Become a better communicator by paying attention to introspective sensations. 

10:33 – How a 1984 GMC Vandura and a potato helped Jonathan become a communications expert. 

14:48 Why most people pay no attention to the way they communicate. 

18:58 – Announcements: 

Human Hacking: Win Friends, Influence People, and Leave Them Better Off for Having Met You 

Virtual Advanced Practical Social Engineering - 17-20 November, 2020 

The Human Hacking Conference - Orlando, FL March 11-13, 2021 

HHC SE Pentest Track – Day 2 – Vishing (Curt) 

Advanced Practical Social Engineering – Orlando 13-16 April, 2021 

Masters Level Social Engineering – Orlando, Fl 10-14 May, 2021 

Advanced Practical Social Engineering – Bristol, UK 15-18 June, 2021 

23:35 – How to become self-aware of the way you communicate.  

25:08 – How to Deal with Defensiveness and Defensive People in Conversations 

26:09 – How an amygdala hijack can trigger a defensive response and how you can work to fight it. 

42:56 – Defensiveness creates more defensiveness. 

44:29 – Jonathan's contact info, podcast and social media links. 

Press Kit: 
Mindful Communication Podcast: 
Tough Talks Made Easy: 
Code: social50 

Article: How to Deal with Defensiveness and Defensive People in Conversations 

46:39: Jonathan’s book recommendations. 

Difficult Conversations: How to Discuss What Matters Most 

Nonviolent Communication: A Language of Life 

Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind 

48:01 Outro 

Chris on Twitter   

Social-Engineer on Twitter  

Social-Engineer on Instagram   

The Human Hacking Conference  

The Human Hacking Conference on Twitter  

The Innocent Lives Foundation   

The Innocent Lives Foundation on Twitter 

Direct download: Ep._133_-_Having_Superhero_moments_with_Jonathan_Miller.mp3
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Stephanie Paul (@StephaniePaulZz) | TwitterIn this episode, Chris Hadnagy and Stephanie Paul introduce multiple different methods that can be used to become a better communicator and social engineer. They go into the practice required in changing the way you communicate and share some amazing experiences of people who were able to do so. They also go over how an unmotivated person can gain the ambition to accomplish their goals.  

01:10 – Introduction to Stephanie Paul. 

01:58 Training people to be effective storytellers: How Stephanie came up with the idea.  

05:24 – Analyzing the applicability of social engineering principles in other fields. 

07:01 – The YOU method. 

13: 50 – Driving the CAAR method. 

15:19 – How an unambitious person can motivate themselves by changing their value system. 

22:55 – Announcements:  

New website 

Advanced Practical Social Engineering Training 

Master's Level Social Engineering 

The Human Hacking Conference - 11-13 March, 2021 


The Innocent Lives Foundation  

24:41 – How you can improve as a person and social engineer by getting to know yourself 

29:04 Improve by shifting your communication energy 

32:30 – Improve by utilizing humor 

35:30 – Improving your communication requires practice 

40:49 – Stephanie's contact info, courses and book. 

The “WHYGUIDE” To Story Hacking 

Apply for Stephanie's Online Training 

Stephanie's Social Media:

42:40 - Stephanie’s book recommendations 

#Values: The Secret to Top Level Performance in Business and Life 

The Source: The Secrets of the Universe, the Science of the Brain 

The Ellipsis Manual: analysis and engineering of human behavior 

Truth and Lies: What People Are Really Thinking 

Louder Than Words: Take Your Career from Average to Exceptional with the Hidden Power of Nonverbal Intelligence 

Limitless: Upgrade Your Brain, Learn Anything Faster, and Unlock Your Exceptional Life 

Chris on Twitter  

Social-Engineer on Twitter 

Social-Engineer on Instagram  

The Human Hacking Conference 

The Human Hacking Conference on Twitter 

The Innocent Lives Foundation  

The Innocent Lives Foundation on Twitter 

Chani Simms – Think Cyber Security for Government In this episode Chris Hadnagy and Chani Simms reveal the secrets to becoming a better communicator and breaking into the InfoSec industry. They discuss the challenges women often face and how they can be overcome. They also go over the ways a newcomer can contribute to a more experienced team. 

00:05 – Introduction to Chani Simms and Her Experience as a Woman in the InfoSec Industry 

01:09 – Chani's TEDx Talk: “Stop chasing the magic security box” 

01:19 – How Chani Got into the Infosec Industry and Started Her Own Pentesting Company 

04:53 – Chani's Experience with Hacking, Forensics, Auditing, Risk Management, Consulting and as a Virtual CISO for Multiple Companies 

08:08 – The Prevalence of Women in the Sri Lankan Tech Industry 

10:47 - Chani Simms has been recognized as one of the "Top 50 Most Influential Women In Cybersecurity 2019" by SC Media UK 

11:25 Chani's Reason for Starting SHe CISO  

13:13 – Chani Shares her Experience with Receiving the Awards 

17:14 Chani Gives Advice to People Looking to Become Successful in this Industry 

20:10 – How to Deal with Feelings of Inadequacy in Order to Add Value to a Team 

23:15 – Upcoming Virtual Trainings and Human Hacking Conference Signups 

1-4 August, 2020 – Advanced Practical Social Engineering – Virtual Training 

11-13 March, 2021 – The Human Hacking Conference 

The Innocent Lives Foundation 


 25:10 – How a Newcomer to a Field can Still Add Value to a Team 

29:33 – How to Work with Unkind People in the Workplace 

31:09 – How to Accept Valid Criticism and Become a Better Communicator by Suspending Your Ego 

37:03 – Chani's Contact Info and More Info About SHe CISO 



SHe CISO Website 

SHe CISO Bootcamp 

41:09 – Chani's Book Recommendations 

Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus: The Classic Guide to Understanding the Opposite Sex 

The Definitive Book of Body Language: The Hidden Meaning Behind People's Gestures and Expressions 

45:04 – Conclusion and Outro 

Chris on Twitter 

Social-Engineer on Twitter  

The Human Hacking Conference on Twitter 

The Innocent Lives Foundation on Twitter 

The Human Hacking Conference 

The Innocent Lives Foundation 

Social-Engineer on Instagram 


 Vyvyan Evans | Professor of LinguisticsIn this episode, Chris Hadnagy and Dr. Vyv Evans discuss the widespread use of emoji and how it can help fill the gap between text and face-to-face communication. Emoji has the ability to add tone and expressions to text that it would otherwise be lacking. In in a single picture, they can express complex ideas that would otherwise require many words to convey.  

00:10 - Introduction to Dr. Vyv Evans and his Work on Emoji 
01:37 - Brooklyn Teen Was Arrested for Threats Made with Emoji 
03:52 - The 2 Main Functions of Language  
06:12 - In Real World Scenarios, Communication Utilizes Multiple Channels 
07:55 - Tone of Voice Can Change the Meaning of Our Words 
09:05 - Gestures Can Change the Meaning of Our Words 
10:59 - Emblems are nonverbal signals that can be translated directly into words. 
12:50 - The Meaning of Emoji Can be Affected by Group or Cultural Factors 
15:45 - The Rebus Principle is Used to Represent Abstract Words with Pictograms, Like Emoji 
18:16 - Upcoming Virtual Trainings and Human Hacking Conference Signups.  

19:58 - The Differences Between the Emoji System and Language 
22:46 - Emoji Helps Text Catch Up with the Tone and Kinesics Found in Spoken Face-to-Face Interaction 
23:20 - Survey Done by Corelates the Use of Emoji to Increased Sexual Activity 
24:38 - Emoji Makes Us More Effective Communicators in the Digital Space 
26:09 - The Angry Jerk Phenomenon and How Emoji Can Help 
27:35 - Why Visuals are Important to Communication 
29:23 - The 😂 (Tears of Joy) Emoji Was Oxford Dictionary’s “Word of the Year” in 2015
31:05 - How Text Can Accidentally Convey the Wrong Tone 
32:10 - Emoji Can Complement the Meaning of a Word  
33:32 - Nonverbals are a Vital Component to Communication 
35:47 - Discussing Whether a Decrease in Vocabulary May Have Contributed to the Creation of Nonverbal Communication and Emoji 

41:26 - Vyv’s Contact Info 

42:23 Vyv’s Books 
The Emoji Code: The Linguistics Behind Smiley Faces and Scaredy Cats
42:44 Vyv’s Book Recommendations 
Because Internet: Understanding the New Rules of Language 

Direct download: SocialEngineerPodcastEp130.mp3
Category:Human Element Series -- posted at: 4:00am EDT

Speaker: Mark Bowden, Expert in Body Language, Human Behavior ...Episode Highlights:

  • Mark shares his thought on being inauthentic.
    How he started in the nonverbal world and how he got engaged in writing books.
    Discusses being dyslexic, but reading images and creating images and critically thinking about images was easy for him.

Key Points:

  • Do not mistake truths from facts they are not the same.
  • If you tell a story and you massage some of the facts you sometimes get a stronger clearer truth from the story.
  • People first need to think that it's valuable then believe that its true, so they go and use it.


Resources Mentioned:

Direct download: Social-EngineerPodcastEp129.mp3
Category:Human Element Series -- posted at: 4:00am EDT

Episode Highlights:

  • Alethe shares her initial thoughts on receiving details about her target company.
  • One mistake Alethe made in her first competition was misunderstanding that you can repeat flags.
  • Alethe outlines how she prepared for the second competition, including watching re-enactment videos.
  • Chris and Alethe discuss the importance of pretext and the key switch Alethe made.
  • Alethe describes the experience of bringing a young baby to DefCon.
  • She spent over 100 hours of time on her OSINT report. She spent even more time getting ready for the calls.
  • Alethe tells us the most dangerous OSINT she found in her research.
  • Alethe compares real-life vishing to competitive vishing.
  • The time factor gave Alethe anxiety during her first competition. Learn how she managed this the second time around.
  • They discuss the name game and how to use it effectively or ineffectively.
  • Learn the important way the black badge changed Alethe’s life.


3 Key Points:

  1. Dedicate a big chunk of time to prepare for the conference by listening to podcast episodes, watching re-enactments, and preparing your OSINT report.
  2. In her OSINT research, Alethe was able to find information as dangerous as the types of equipment and software the company used freely available to the public.
  3. In real-life vishing, you have time to establish rapport. Competitive vishing moves much faster.

Resources Mentioned:

Direct download: Social-EngineerPodcastEp128.mp3
Category:Human Element Series -- posted at: 5:00am EDT

Episode Highlights: 

  • The Human Hacking Conference was about having a deep understanding of other human beings to help you make connections.
  • Robin Dreeke’s presentation was about his code of trust and sizing people up with a step-by-step process.
  • Next year he will do what he did this year but then go into sizing people up.
  • Paul Wilson’s presentation was about how there’s a vast toolbox of manipulation that is untapped in the security community.
  • People were supposed to walk away from Dov’s session with a sense of their own dragon fire.
  • Stephanie Paul’s session was about helping people find their voice and their message from the inside out.
  • She believes the conference ended up with a theme because they're all humans speaking to human qualities that we have.
  • As they discuss why the conference had a theme, Paul asserts that the core element is story.
  • The subject itself fed the experience of the weekend.
  • Next year, Stephanie's session will be about learning through fun.
  • Dov’s session next year will help you better understand your own emotional logic.
  • Paul’s session next year will give people a toolkit for recognizing deception.

3 Key Points:

  1. The Human Hacker Conference was all about helping people understand themselves and others.
  2. Common themes emerged because presenters were speaking to the human qualities we all possess.
  3. Story can be used to teach, to educate, to touch hearts and it can also be used against you.

Resources Mentioned:

Direct download: Social-EngineerPodcastEp127.mp3
Category:Human Element Series -- posted at: 10:35pm EDT

3 Key Points:

  1.   Conversational intelligence helps us understand how our brains and bodies interact  to create our experiences and how we can learn to control our experiences.
  2. The Conversational Intelligence Matrix describes three levels of conversation: transactional, positional, and transformational. 
  3. In order to improve CIQ, an individual must begin recognizing reality gaps, asking  more questions of others, and letting their guard down.


Direct download: Social-EngineerPodcastEp126.mp3
Category:Human Element Series -- posted at: 4:00am EDT

In Episode 125, host Chris Hadnagy speaks with William Ortiz, a federal polygraph examiner who worked in the FBI for decades. In this discussion, you’ll learn how the polygraph works, how people try to fool the polygraph, and what agents and attorneys are really after when they receive the results of a polygraph examination. You’ll also hear some tips and tricks about deception that can inform your everyday interactions.

3 Key Points:

  1.   Polygraph is a tool alongside non-verbals and behavior analysis questions to determine whether someone is telling the truth. 
  2.   Being nervous is part of taking the polygraph test. Being nervous will not affect the test, but helps to establish your baseline. 

3.   When you ask someone a question, pay attention to whether they answer it. Then ask more questions to see where they lead.

Direct download: Social-EngineerPodcastEp125.mp3
Category:Human Element Series -- posted at: 3:00am EDT

Welcome to another episode of The Social-Engineer Podcast! Host, Christopher Hadnagy, interviews Christopher Dwyer, on this 124th episode. Dr. Dwyer is a psychologist who has been researching critical thinking and cognitive energy throughout his career, including what it means to be a critical thinker. He started his PhD by researching argument mapping, focusing on the structure of arguments and the effect of it on memory performance.

Chris asks Dr. Dwyer how he would define critical thinking. For Dr. Dwyer, the term refers to purposeful, self-regulatory reflective judgment reliant on a number of skills in order to produce a valid conclusion to an argument or a solution to a problem. Dr. Dwyer explains how the term has come to have different meanings across the industry - but the main idea has been that core skills and core dispositions make up critical thinking. Dr. Dwyer is interested in how to enhance people’s critical thinking skills; however, he has found that it is very dependent on context and circumstances. He shares an example of this, comparing findings about critical thinking of traditional students and adult-learning course students. The mature students had worse critical thinking at the beginning of a class yet they improved more than traditional students over time.

Towards the end of the episode, Chris and Dr. Dwyer discuss how humans hate to be wrong, but love to be right. Dr. Dwyer says that this is due to risk aversion - we do not enjoy the things that are detrimental to us and we fear being found wanting. However, it is important to not let our fear stop us from critically thinking well.

Direct download: Social-EngineerPodcastEp124.mp3
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On this episode of The Social-Engineer Podcast, host Chris sits down with Dr. Eva Krackow to discuss decision-making. Eva is an assistant professor in psychology at the University of Leicester, and focuses her research on judgement and decision-making, as well as how people can improve their daily choices for the better. Similarly, The Social-Engineer focuses on the end user, and how their decisions affect their online security. Eva talks about a game that was developed to research the difference in an individual’s behavior based on the motive of the game, being teamwork, or a competition, and how subtle framing can influence an individual’s behavior. Framing is a way to present an idea or concept to an individual to achieve desired results.

Chris and Eva discuss the parallels between online security, The Social-Engineer’s line of business, and an individual’s choice to lean towards a way of “framing” that appeals to them. In terms of phishing scams, where once there were emails riddled with errors, scams have become more intelligent, getting email correspondence to appear more legitimate. Framing of the message has become more professional and sophisticated. The framing of the emails has changed in a way to adapt to the individual reading the scam, allowing the scammer to continue to be successful in stealing identities and information.

Eva discusses issues that come along with our current age of social media, and how individuals are less likely to explore unfamiliar information because of the algorithms that these popular networking sites use to appease each individual user. Social media websites aren’t necessarily our friend when it comes to actual facts and accurate information, but it is coincidentally where most people are finding their news sources. She suggests we need to consistently look outside of our usual media sources, outside of our current friends list, and be aware of the information we’re absorbing. When we don’t take these initiatives on our own, we can find ourselves taking in a never ending supply of information that appeals specifically to us, making it easier to believe the news we take in to be fact, when many times, it’s not. Reframing our communication allows us to be more open to new information that we may not have been before, it can open doors we weren’t aware existed when we’re able to step outside of our comfort zone.

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Eva's Book Recommendations:

Trevor Noah - Born a Crime

Direct download: Social-EngineerPodcastEp123.mp3
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Chris Hadnagy interviews Anne-Maartje Oud, chairperson and owner of The Behaviour Company, about how she found the inspiration and drive to kick start her own company dedicated to research about human behavior, how she deals with common behavioral problems, some insights on her cultural background and its impact on her career and the people around her.

On This Episode We Discuss:

  • 00:00 - 122nd Episode of the Social-Engineer Podcast!
  • 03:50 - Quick recap about Anne-Maartje Oud
  • 04:30 - Anne talks about the early years of her career, how she found the inspiration and drive to start her own company focused on research into human behavior
  • 08:33 - Anne talks about her study and research on human behavior, how she teach people
  • 10:16 - How she help people become aware of their bad behavior
  • 13:59 - Anne talks about the common problems she usually encounter
  • 19:25 - Her advice on meeting new people, going through job interviews and how to behave right in these situations
  • 21:45 - Her cultural background and its impact on her career and the people around her; and how to fit in with people from various cultures
  • 45:33 - Closing remarks for Anne (links to her company website, social media accounts, books she recommends)
  • 46:16 - Desmon Morris’ book “People Watching”


  • 48:58 - A brief interview with Dov Baron
  • 49-57 - Who is Dov Baron?
  • 51:26 - Dov shares what he’ll talk about in the coming 2020 Social-Engineer conference
  • 55:00 - Dov talks about leadership
  • 57:56 - Closing remarks for Dov (Links to his company website, his social media accounts)

 Books to Read:

 What Every Body is Saying - Joe Navarro

 Featured Links:

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 Connect with Dov Baron:

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Direct download: Social-EngineerPodcastEp122.mp3
Category:Human Element Series -- posted at: 3:09pm EDT

On This Episode We Discuss:

  • 0:27 - Introducing the guest - Joe Navarro
  • 1:35 - Joe Navarro’s background and expertise
  • 3:06 - The 13 books Joe has written
  • 3:36 - Why do we do anything?
  • 3:58 - The next project Joe is working on related to what makes good leadership
  • 5:44 - SEVillage Orlando 2020 preview and what Joe’s talk will be about
  • 8:35 - How Joe’s career path lead him into leadership and writing books
  • 11:08 - Joe coming to the country, not knowing any English, and how this shaped his reliance on non-verbals
  • 13:00 - The leadership most of us will encounter and how personal this typically is
  • 14:26 - The most important attribute any leader must have
  • 15:27 - What do you think makes a great employee for your company?
  • 17:19 - Joe’s experience working with Robin Dreeke
  • 18:13 - Joe’s story of getting a text from someone he put in prison
  • 21:00 - The importance of treating people humanely
  • 21:58 - Joe’s experience in Puerto Rico with people telling him when something wasn’t right
  • 23:18 - What’s coming up in the upcoming months for Social-Engineering
  • 25:40 - Understanding how you can improve (And why you need to be open to it)
  • 26:41 - Who the best investigator typically is
  • 27:38 - Ego and how it can harm you
  • 28:27 - What Joe would ask himself before doing an interview
  • 30:27 - Putting the right people in the right situations to be most effective
  • 31:32 - Joe’s experience in New York trying to recruit someone 
  • 32:43 - How to determine what type of person is the best in any situation
  • 33:30 - Interethnic empathy
  • 35:12 - The reasons why operations sometimes fail
  • 36:32 - Why “face time” is so important and really the key to everything
  • 37:11 - A few things you can do to increase face time
  • 40:15 - Where people can go to learn more about Joe
  • 42:05 - Joe’s book recommendation


Connect with Joe Navarro




Direct download: Social-EngineerPodcastEp121.mp3
Category:Human Element Series -- posted at: 12:29am EDT

On This Episode We Discuss:

  • 0:00 - 10th year anniversary podcast!
  • 2:38 - Robin’s book Sizing People Up
  • 3:43 - Why trust is ultimately what matters
  • 5:33 - Perry’s speech at SEVillage
  • 7:45 - Changing the context of how you view your situation (And the world)
  • 10:35 - How you choose who to engage when speaking to an audience
  • 11:10 - Stage hypnosis
  • 13:15 - Why you need to make every statement about the other person
  • 14:50 - Why we always act in our best interest and understanding what that means for others
  • 17:28 - How you can use social engineering in real-life social situations (And how to mitigate manipulation)
  • 22:44 - The differences between the alcohol, tobacco, and firearms industries 
  • 27:25 - The most effect technique for listening
  • 28:08 - The Black Badge Contest winners 
  • 29:05 - How the Black Badge works and why it’s so high pressure
  • 30:03 - Techniques for building rapport
  • 33:17 - Having so many people fill the room at DEF CON
  • 36:22 - Protecting data and how changing culture has to start from the top
  • 41:10 - Career prospects and how to find the right company to work for
  • 44:38 - The value of writing to build credibility and get more clients 
  • 46:55 - Phishing education and incentivizing positive action
  • 49:45 - Taking time to figure out people’s strengths and top 3 priorities of people you’re working with
  • 50:45 - Why loving your product, believing in what you’re selling, and knowing it will help people is crucial to selling a product
  • 54:32 - Dealing with fatigue while vishing (And taking breaks)
  • 58:04 - What makes a great social-engineer
  • 1:00:00 - Perry’s Book
  • 1:03:37 - A technique for catching 3 spies (Coming soon)

 Connect with Them


Direct download: Social-EngineerPodcastEp120.mp3
Category:Human Element Series -- posted at: 11:31pm EDT


On This Episode We Discuss:

  • Who Stephanie is and what she does
  • How Stephanie produced, cast, and directed the launch of the Calvin Klein CK1 Fragrance in New Zealand at age 21
  • Stephanie’s acting role in the film Iron Sky
  • How Stephanie started her company by accident
  • The psychology tool “Stimulus Value” and the importance of understanding it
  • The top traits we look for when communicating with other people
  • The importance of knowing WHY we’re delivering a message and delivering it in a way that’s beneficial to your audience
  • How Stephanie develops stories with her clients and teaches them how to use their emotions as tools
  • Emotional intelligence
  • Why laughter is the most contagious biological behavior we have
  • Laughter yoga
  • Stephanie’s workshop in February of 2020 and why you NEED to come
  • A few books Stephanie recommends


Direct download: Social-EngineerPodcastEp119.mp3
Category:Human Element Series -- posted at: 4:00am EDT

Image result for dr. jessica barkerDr. Jessica Barker runs a cyber security consultancy and, with a background in sociology, specializes in the human side of cyber security. She is especially interested in attitudes and behaviors in relation to cyber security, and her work is focused on communication, awareness, behavior and culture.

On this episode we discuss things like:

  • How can we make info sec more human centric?
  • Why are we failing so much?
  • Should shame and fear be used in training?
  • And so much more.
Direct download: Social-EngineerPodcastEp118.mp3
Category:Human Element Series -- posted at: 4:00am EDT

Image result for chris voss Chris Voss is an author, and professor. His is also a former FBI hostage negotiator, the CEO of The Black Swan Group Ltd, and co-author of the book, Never Split the Difference.

Chris discusses:

  • What are negotiation skills?
  • How are they useful in every day life
  • What is tactical empathy
  • What is a black swan?
  • Can you really use these skills to save lives?
  • So much more!!


Chris can be found on his website: and you can also find him on Twitter at:

He recommended a few books for us this month:

The Rise of Superman: Decoding the Science of Ultimate Human Performance by Steven Kotler

The Talent Code: Greatness Isn't Born. It's Grown. Here's How. by Daniel Coyle

The Culture Code: The Secrets of Highly Successful Groups by Daniel Coyle

Direct download: Social-EngineerPodcastEp117.mp3
Category:Human Element Series -- posted at: 4:00am EDT

Image result for gregg henriquesGregg Henriques is a psychologist and professor with expertise in depression, suicide and personality disorders. He developed a new theoretical system for psychology and joins us today to share it with us.

As we discuss his theory we will talk about:

  • His new theory of psychology
  • The 4 interlocking peices and how we can apply them in every day life
  • How to build a C.A.L.M Narrator
  • So much more....


You can find out more about Gregg on his website: as well as his articles on Psychology Today  

Gregg recommends we read: The Mindful Path to Self-Compassion: Freeing Yourself from Destructive Thoughts and Emotions by Christopher K. Germer

Direct download: Social-EngineerPodcastEp116.mp3
Category:Human Element Series -- posted at: 4:00am EDT

Chase Hughes is an ex-military Chief that wanted to learn how to better the study of influence. He wanted to see if he could teach anyone to use these skills fast and with precision.  Join us this month as we discuss this very topic with Chase and try to answer:

  • Can we train people in influence like we train animals?
  • Can we control our own minds to condition ourselves to not be influenced?
  • Can we change how we react to fear, anger or other emotions?
  • So much more...

You can follow Chase on his Twitter account:

Check out Chase's book. The Ellipsis Manual 

and also his book recommendation, Be the Pack Leader by Cesar Milan

Direct download: Social-EngineerPodcastEp115.mp3
Category:Human Element Series -- posted at: 12:34pm EDT

Image result for Whitney MerrillWhitney Merrill is a privacy attorney, worked with the EFF and runs the Crypto and runs the Crypto Privacy Village at DEF CON. (See a pattern yet?)

This month we have a very fun and lighthearted chat with Whitney about things like:

  • Is it possible to remain private today?
  • Is it possible to be safe and date online?
  • How dangerous is OSINT?
  • And so much more


You can find out more about Whitney on her website:

She recommends the book "How To Make a Spaceship" by Julian Guthrie

Direct download: Social-EngineerPodcastEp114.mp3
Category:Human Element Series -- posted at: 9:28pm EDT

Image result for clint watts Join us with our guest Clint Watts as we ask questions about:

Misinformation campaigns and their success.

  • How is misinformation used?
  • Why is it so powerful?
  • How can we be safe from falling victim?
  • So much more

Clint can be followed on his Twitter Account @selectedwisdom  and on

Clint also recommends these books:

Identity: The Demand for Dignity and the Politics of Resentment Francis Fukuyama 

The Fifth Risk Michael Lewis 

American Nations: A History of the Eleven Rival Regional Cultures of North America 

Direct download: Social-EngineerPodcastEp113.mp3
Category:Human Element Series -- posted at: 3:00am EDT

Image result for joe navarro Joe Navarro immigrated to American not knowing any English. How did this mold and shape him to become one of the most well known FBI agents and now one of the world's leading expert's in body language?

Join us in this discussion to find out:

  • Why did he write this book?
  • We will see more of him before another 8 years?
  • How has nonverbal reading changed his life?
  • Can you really learn these skills?
  • Did Cat's youth really make her doubt Joe's stories?
  • And so much more....

You can find more information about Joe's classes and books at his website

Joe's new book The Dictionary of Body Language and Joe's book recommendations are:

The Biological Mind by Alan Jasanoff

Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind by Yuval Noah Harari

Who We Are and How We Got Here: Ancient DNA and the New Science of the Human Past by David Reich

Till next time!

Direct download: Social-EngineerPodcastEp112.mp3
Category:Human Element Series -- posted at: 3:00am EDT

Image result for nick furneaux Did you know that Walmart sells smoothies? Well we didn't either (and we still don't think they do), but this smooth talking Brit will have all of you driving to your local walmart ordering a Crypto AI Blockchain smoothie from Walmart before you are done listening.

Nick Furneaux, lord of all OSINT and new author about crypto currency sheds light on exactly how crypto and social engineering collide.

This is one podcast you will certainly enjoy, whilst laughing all the way to smoothie land.

Find out more about Nicks Classes and training and book at his website 

Follow him on twitter at nickfx

And pick up Nick's recommended book, Endurance by Scott Kelly

Direct download: Social-EngineerPodcastEp111.mp3
Category:Human Element Series -- posted at: 3:00pm EDT

Image result for Whitney Maxwell DEF CON                   Image result for Rachel tobac

So many times we get asked how can you become a professional social engineer.  This month we talk to two amazing women who were never in the industry, took a huge risk and it paid off.  Join us in this fascinating conversation with Whitney Maxwell and Rachel Tobac.

These two wonderful personify doing things ethically, honestly and with empathy.  They are an amazing example to our community and we had a great opportunity to talk about:

  • How did you get into the SECTF?
  • How did winning change your life?
  • Did you get into SE because of it?
  • Does Whitney really have relatives with everyone's name?
  • Why is Rachel so scary?
  • So much more.....


Whitney Maxwell can be found on Twitter at and her book recommendations are:


Rachel Tobac can be found on Twitter at and her book recommendations are:

Direct download: Social-EngineerPodcastEp110.mp3
Category:Human Element Series -- posted at: 3:00am EDT

I sense there is something important in your life? Something that you will be listening to shortly that will change the way you view... everything.  Ian Rowland is a renowned expert into cold reading. In his book, "The Full Facts Book of Cold Reading", Ian explains exactly how cold reading works.

Despite being told exactly how this trickery works, notice how he still reads Cat during our podcast. We discuss:

  • Do you know any Jennifer's?
  • How does cold reading work?
  • What application does Cold Reading have to social engineering?
  • So much more...

Check out Ian on his website: or his Twitter account:

Ian recommended a book for us this month: Dale Carnegie,  How to Win Friends & Influence People

Direct download: Social-EngineerPodcastEp109.mp3
Category:Human Element Series -- posted at: 2:38pm EDT

 It might not come as a shock to you that we here at SEORG love Neil Fallon and Clutch. Having Neil out at DEF CON was an amazing experience.  After 4 long days at DEF CON we hosted our annual live podcast for Episode 108.

Join us as:

  • Neil fixes Chris' technical issues.
  • We discuss ways to improve the SEVillage
  • We talk about professional SE work 
  • and we suffer through our final sleep deprived moments in Vegas....

You can follow Neil on Twitter at: @npfallon

Check out Chris' latest book: Social Engineering: The SCIENCE of Human Hacking

Direct download: 108_Ep._108_-_Neil_Fallon_Is_My_Tech_Support.mp3
Category:Human Element Series -- posted at: 1:04pm EDT

Paolo Gaudiano has more than 25 years of interdisciplinary research, teaching, entrepreneurship, consulting, public speaking and writing experience. He recently embarked on a mission to use everything he has learned to revolutionize the way people think about Diversity & Inclusion, and what they do about it. 

Today we discuss:

  • What are biases
  • How are they used?
  • Are they positive or negative?
  • How can a social engineer use biases?

You can follow Paolo on his twitter account: or his company Aleria PBC

Paolo recommended a few books this month:

Direct download: Social-EngineerPodcastEp107.mp3
Category:Human Element Series -- posted at: 2:58am EDT

Amy E. Herman is the founder and president of The Art of Perception, Inc., a New York-based organization that conducts professional development courses to leaders around the world including at the FBI, CIA, Scotland Yard, and the Peace Corps. Herman was also the Director of Educational Development at Thirteen/WNET, the educational public television station serving New York and New Jersey, and the Head of Education at The Frick Collection for over ten years, where she oversaw all of the Collection's educational collaborations and community initiatives.

Join us as we have a fascinating conversation with Amy about:

  • Biases - are they useful?
  • How can we recognize biases and they use them?
  • What does it mean to be the dog?
  • What does it mean to be the wolf?
  • Can you ride a dolphin, wolf hybrid through the ocean?
  • so much more...

Amy can be found on her website: or on Twitter at @AmyHermanAOP 

She recommends a book by Daniel James Brown titled, The Boy in the Boat

Direct download: Social-EngineerPodcastEp106.mp3
Category:Human Element Series -- posted at: 3:00am EDT

Jordan Harbinger, formally from the Art of Charm, now hosts a new show called - The Jordan Harbinger Show. As a long time friend of the SEPodcast we wanted to discuss how Jordan restarted his life after parting ways with AOC.

Instead our conversation took a very interesting turn and we discussed some fascinating topics:

  • How does who you know affect your abilities to advance?
  • How do you keep and maintain useful relationships?
  • Does what you know really add value?
  • So much more...


Jordan shares some really interesting insights with us and gives us a new book recommendation:

Willpower Doesn't Work: Discover the Hidden Keys to Success by Benjamin Hardy

Follow Jordan on his website and stay tuned for much more from him.

Direct download: Social-EngineerPodcastEp105.mp3
Category:Human Element Series -- posted at: 3:00am EDT

How important is fitting into a tribe? Can you create a new tribe? If you do, will you be all alone? This month's guest, the fascinating Dov Baron, explores these questions and more.

You can find Dov on his website at:

You can buy his book, Fiercely Loyal on Amazon

Direct download: Social-EngineerPodcastEp104.mp3
Category:Human Element Series -- posted at: 4:00am EDT

Image result for michael bazzellMichael Bazzell spent 18 years as a government computer crime investigator. During the majority of that time, he was assigned to the FBI's Cyber Crimes Task Force where he focused on open source intelligence, hacking cases, and personal data removal methods. As an active investigator for multiple organizations, he has been involved in numerous high-tech criminal investigations including online child solicitation, child abduction, kidnapping, cold-case homicide, terrorist threats, and high level computer intrusions. He has trained thousands of individuals in the use of his investigative techniques and privacy control strategies.

This month Michael talks about:

  • Some actionable OSINT tips you can use now!
  • His new book that you must read
  • Tips on parenting, that we doubt you will want to follow
  • His VM operating system that contains so many tools it could make an OSINT'er drool
  • So much more....


Make sure to check out his Twitter Account: inteltechniques and his podcast The Complete Privacy & Security Podcast

Micahel's new book: Open Source Intelligence Techniques: Resources for Searching and Analyzing Online Information is a must read and he recommends our listeners check out: Salt: A World History by Mark Kurlansky

We know you will enjoy this episode!

Direct download: Social-EngineerPodcastEp103.mp3
Category:Human Element Series -- posted at: 2:00am EDT

JJ GreenJJ Green just wants to share the story. With over 25 years of journalistic travel into 51 countries he has witnessed conflicts, disasters and political struggles that have shaped our world today. 

On this podcast we discuss:

  • Do you really like Bruce Hornsby?
  • Can you stay safe in this increasingly insecure world?
  • What does it mean to pen the future?
  • How do we help the next generation?
  • So much more!


Join the Panel this month of: humanhackerhackingdave, vlkyri, catmurd0ck as we talk about this and a whole lot more.

You can follow JJ at @jgreenwtop or @natsec09

JJ recommends a book that is right up our alley: American Radical: Inside the World of an Undercover Muslim FBI Agent by Tamer Elnoury

Till next month - stay secure!

Direct download: Social-EngineerPodcastEp102.mp3
Category:Human Element Series -- posted at: 11:00am EDT

Image result for CosmoTheGod Eric TaylorEric Taylor, aka CosmoTheGod, formerly of UGNazi has been caught arrested and now reforming his past ways turn his skills to the good.  Join us as we talk to Eric about:

  • How did you stop the Kansas City Swatter?
  • How did you get into hacking and social engineering?
  • How did you reform?
  • What are you going to do to stay on the side of right?
  • What are you going to do now?
  • and so much more.


You can find Eric on Twitter at:

And he recommends the book by Kevin Mitnick, Ghost in the Wires


Direct download: Social-EngineerPodcastEp101.mp3
Category:Human Element Series -- posted at: 9:54am EDT

Image result for lucky yatesLucky Yates is an actor and writer, known for Archer (2009), The American Shame (2001) and American Dirtbags (2015).

Lucky is a hilarious guest that entertained us and we got to discuss some really interesting topics:

  • What is a war ape and a sky robot?
  • How do you act when you can't see your co-actors?
  • Are nonverbals still important?
  • Is Dave a Jerk?
  • How does Lucky feel about Bruce Hornsby?
  • So much more....

Come and laugh with us on this very special podcast - Our 100th episode!

Lucky invites you to follow him on Instagram:

And also to read a pretty disturbing book called "The Butchering Art - Lindsey Fitzharris"

Check out our websites: for all Corporate Social Engineering needs for information a nonprofit designed to help unmask child predators.

Direct download: Social-EngineerPodcastEp100.mp3
Category:Human Element Series -- posted at: 2:30am EDT

The SEPodcast Panel

Direct download: Social-EngineerPodcastEp099.mp3
Category:Human Element Series -- posted at: 7:14pm EDT

dhpcaeuu0aamgdz-jpg_largeChris Kirsch, the 1st place winner of the SECTF, is a returning competitor that came back to prove to himself how and why he CAN win this competition after his previous attempt was not so great. Rachel Tobac is our scariest competitor but also one of our most positive and sweetest.  She comes back to yet again take 2nd place in the SECTF this year. We will discuss:

  • What helped you win?
  • What is one of the most important lessons?
  • Would you recommend others try the SECTF?

  Do you want to see their entrance videos?

Chris Kirsch:

Rachel Tobac:

Category:Human Element Series -- posted at: 2:55am EDT

dhpcaeuu0aamgdz-jpg_largeChris Kirsch, the 1st place winner of the SECTF, is a returning competitor that came back to prove to himself how and why he CAN win this competition after his previous attempt was not so great. Rachel Tobac is our scariest competitor but also one of our most positive and sweetest.  She comes back to yet again take 2nd place in the SECTF this year. We will discuss:

  • What helped you win?
  • What is one of the most important lessons?
  • Would you recommend others try the SECTF?

  Do you want to see their entrance videos?

Chris Kirsch:

Rachel Tobac:

Direct download: Social-EngineerPodcastEp98.mp3
Category:Human Element Series -- posted at: 2:55am EDT

Image result for Dan McGinn PsychedDan McGinn is a senior editor at Harvard Business Review and the author of "Psyched Up: How the Science of Mental Preparation Can Help You Succeed."

He discusses:

  • How Does Psyching yourself help help?
    Tips and Tricks for mental motivation
  • How to use these as a social engineer
  • and most importantly, Is Bruce Hornsby really motivational?


You can follow Dan on his Twitter Account at @danmcginn

Tim recommend an amazing book entitled: The Four Tendencies: The Indispensable Personality Profiles That Reveal How to Make Your Life Better (and Other People's Lives Better, Too)

Join us in supporting The Innocent Lives Foundation to unmask online child predators.

Direct download: Social-EngineerPodcastEp97.mp3
Category:Human Element Series -- posted at: 2:55am EDT

Image result for Tim LarkinTim Larkin joined us LIVE at DEF CON 25 to be part of the SEPodcast Crew and discuss the importance of situational awareness.  Tim has an extensive background in working with people all over the globe in helping them stay safe.

He discusses:

  • How to remain aware of your surroundings and not get overly distracted
  • Why this is so important to safety
  • How being aware has helped others stay safe
  • And so much more


Tim can be found at his website:  or on Twitter at

Tim recommended the book written by Miyamoto Musashi  called "The Book of Five Rings".

Join us in supporting The Innocent Lives Foundation to unmask online child predators.

Direct download: Social-EngineerPodcastEp96.mp3
Category:Human Element Series -- posted at: 9:24am EDT

Image result for emily brandwinEmily Brandwin may be one of the funniest guests we have had on the show.  She is an ex-CIA agent, ex-Stand up comic, present day comedy writer.  No, we are serious.

You will enjoy this conversation where:

  • We find out how a haiku landed her in the CIA?
  • Why did she even apply in the first place?
  • Pretexting, pretexting and more pretexting - top tips from a spy
  • Does Chris really own a cat suit?
  • Can he truly speak pirate?
  • There is just so much more....

This is one to not miss!

Emily, like many of you, is an avid reader and gives us an amazing list of books this month:

The Things We Tell Ourselves: A Novel by Victoria Namkung

Everybody’s got something by Robin Roberts

Patti LuPone: A Memoir by Patti LuPone

The Bedwetter: Stories of Courage, Redemption, and Pee by Sarah Silverman

Born a Crime: Stories from a South African Childhoodby Trevor Noah

Direct download: Social-EngineerPodcastEp95.mp3
Category:Human Element Series -- posted at: 2:30am EDT

jordanharbinger-2 Join us this month with our long time friend, Jordan Harbinger.  Jordan comes back to the SEPodcast to discuss a few important topics with us:

  • How is marriage treating him?
  • How has The Art of Charm changed over the years?
  • How did he even start The Art of Charm?
  • Was he really a lawyer?
  • Other cool stories....


You can follow Jordan on Twitter here: or hit his website up at



Direct download: Social-EngineerPodcastEp94.mp3
Category:Human Element Series -- posted at: 2:50am EDT

Image result for jayson street natgeo Jayson E. Street is an author of “Dissecting the Hack: The F0rb1dd3n Network” from Syngress and creator of He has also spoken at DEFCON, DerbyCon, UCON and at several other ‘CONs and colleges on a variety of Information Security subjects. His life story can be found on Google under “Jayson E. Street.” He is a highly carbonated speaker who has partaken of Pizza from Beijing to Brazil. He does not expect anybody to still be reading this far, but if they are, please note he was chosen as one of Time’s persons of the year for 2006.

On today's podcast we talk about:

  • A Diet Pepsi Intervention
  • How does a white hat hacker land himself on NatGeo?
  • How does one break into the WRONG bank?
  • The stories that only Jayson could tell
  • And so much more...

Follow him on Twitter at @jaysonstreet


Direct download: Social-EngineerPodcastEp93.mp3
Category:Human Element Series -- posted at: 4:00am EDT

Image result for bazzell intell techniquesMichael Bazzell spent 18 years as a government computer crime investigator. During the majority of that time, he was assigned to the FBI’s Cyber Crimes Task Force where he focused on computer crime investigations and OSINT. He has trained thousands of individuals in the use of his investigative techniques. He also served as the technical advisor for the television hacker drama "Mr. Robot". His books "Open Source Intelligence Techniques" and "Hiding from the Internet" have been best sellers in both the United States and Europe.

On this wonderfully Honrsby-Free edition of the SEPodcast we get to discuss:

  • Michael's brand new VM for OSINT-ers - Buscador
  • Tips to dig even deeper for OSINT
  • How far is too far with Michael?
  • Michele get's dating info from Michael - hot tips.
  • And so much more.


Michael recommends the book Playing Dead: A Journey Through the World of Death Fraud

Check it out and follow him on twitter at @IntelTechniques


Direct download: Social-EngineerPodcastEp92.mp3
Category:Human Element Series -- posted at: 5:53pm EDT

whitneyrowlettmicrobiologist turned producer, Whitney has produced commercials, pilots, feature films, and internet series for major corporations including SyFy, Verizon, The Travel Channel, Comedy Central, Machinima, and CBS. She was a member of the Academy Award winning art team on The Amazing Race,  and wore several hats during production for The Lizzie Bennet Diaries and Emma Approved, both recipients of an Emmy for Original Interactive Programming. Whitney produced Virtual Reality experiences for Kellogg’s, General Electric, Nokia, Jaunt Media,  and Google Spotlight Stories. Her passions also include choreographing Renaissance and Regency Era dance, yoga, and creating stunning visual content.

This podcast we have the chance to discuss:

  • How does framing work in film?
  • Does VR change the way framing works?
  • What aspects do you need to consider to frame your target's emotions properly?
  • And much much more


Follow Whitney at her site:

Whitney also recommends this book:  The Alchemist by Paulo Coelho


Direct download: Social-EngineerPodcastEp91.mp3
Category:Human Element Series -- posted at: 1:47pm EDT

The single most asked question is "What do I need to do to be a professional social engineer?" This month is devoted to talking to our team.  Folks who had almost no SE experience before working with SECOM and now lead the market in all things SE.

Enjoy our new format while we talk about these topics:

  • Why is vishing so hard?
  • How can you become a master phisherman?
  • Pro-tips on SE Red Teaming?
  • The team's favorite books?
  • What Laurie would sound like if she was a 12 year boy?
  • Why does Kaz not understand Twitter?
  • So much more....


Book List:

Dan: The Phoenix Project: A Novel about IT, DevOps, and Helping Your Business Win by Gene Kim and Kevin Behr

Bryan: CS Lewis - Chronicles of Narnia

Lee: Cryptonomicon Mass Market Paperback – by Neal Stephenson

Laurie: Of Sudden Origin - C Chase Hardwood

Amanda: Quiet: The Power of Introverts in a World That Can't Stop Talking - Susan Cain

Colin: Something Missing - Matthew Dicks

Amaya: At The Crossing Places -Kevin Crossley-Holland

Kaz: Any book on Twitter

Mike: Phishing Dark Waters - Hadnagy/Fincher

Michele: Fight Club - Chuck Palahniuk

Chris: Presence -Amy Cuddy


Direct download: Social-EngineerPodcastEp90.mp3
Category:Human Element Series -- posted at: 9:36am EDT

Brad SagarinOur guest, Dr. Brad Sagarin, professor of psychology at Northern Illinois university has studied and researched about how to combat the negative side of influence.  We have a very lively discussion (yes, Dave is at this one) about:

  • What is influence?
  • Can you really defend against it?
  • How do you know if you are being influenced?
  • And so much more...


Get more info about Brad at his site:
Brad gives us a nice list of books for our listeners this month:

Ghost in the Wires - Kevin Mitnick

Four Arguments for the Elimination of Television - Jerry Mander

In the Absence of the Sacred: The Failure of Technology and the Survival of the Indian Nations - Jerry Mander

Shades of Grey: A Novel by Jasper Fforde


Direct download: Social-EngineerPodcastEp089.mp3
Category:Human Element Series -- posted at: 12:04pm EDT

Paul Asadorian from Security Weekly,, joins us to discuss some pretty important topics.  Things like:

  • What is up with Apple and the new CrapBook?
  • Why does Dave plays Hornsby so much?
  • Will SE be a huge vector in 2017?
  • What are the major security concerns coming up in the near future?
  • What about IoT?
  • So much more....


As usual, it is a lively, spirited and fun chat with the SE Crew!


This time we all took turns mentioning books we love here is the list:

How To Win Friends and Influence People - Dale Carnegie

Misbehaving: The Making of Behavioral Economics  - Richard Thaler

The Prophet - Khalil Gibron

The Subtle Art of Not Giving a ****: A Counterintuitive Approach to Living a Good Life - Mark Manson

The Hidden Life of Trees: What They Feel, How They Communicate—Discoveries from a Secret World - Peter Wohlleben

Emotional Intelligence: Why It Can Matter More Than IQ  - Daniel Goleman

Presence: Bringing Your Boldest Self to Your Biggest Challenges  - Amy Cuddy

Direct download: Social-EngineerPodcastEp088.mp3
Category:Human Element Series -- posted at: 5:00am EDT

Image result for dr. james pennebakerAuthor, teacher, researcher and psychologist - Dr. Pennebaker is one interesting man.  He has not only performed some fascinated research but he built tools around his research and then released them free to the world.  You can even try one out at his site:

This podcast we have a chance to ask the Doc things like:

  • Can we really learn to profile people based on how they use pronouns?
  • Are tools needed or can a human learn it?
  • Is it good or bad to use the word "we" a lot?
  • Will you really listen to Bruce Hornsby?
  • And so much more...


Join us for this fun, entertaining and really educational podcast.

Dr. Pennebaker recommends a couple books for us:

The Secret Life of Pronouns - Dr. James Pennebaker

Along with the accompanying website at:

Station 11 - Emily St. John Mandel



Direct download: Social-EngineerPodcastEp087.mp3
Category:Human Element Series -- posted at: 4:00am EDT

Robert Cialdini ( is the Regents' Professor Emeritus of Psychology and Marketing at Arizona State University and was a visiting professor of marketing, business and psychology at Stanford University, as well as at the University of California at Santa Cruz. He has written a number of books and literally defined the studies on how we understand the principles of influence.

This month we get a chance to talk to Bob (He wouldn't let us call him Dr. Cialdini) about:

  • How he got started in his career path?
    Was he really about to enter pro baseball?
  • What does he think the difference between influence and manipulation is?
  • Can 5 words really change your message?
  • There is just soooo much more - you will love this one for sure!


Bob recommends these amazing books:


Enjoy!  What an amazing PODCAST!

Direct download: Social-EngineerPodcastEp086.mp3
Category:Human Element Series -- posted at: 4:00am EDT

angela_180pxOver the past 15 years, she has been researching the human-centred aspects of security, privacy, identity and trust.

Research interests: how we design and implement innovative technologies that are fit for purpose, value for money, and improve productivity and well-being of individuals and society.

Angela's full research portrait can be found here:

Angela discusses some fascinating topics with us based on research she has done into things like:

  • Analyzing employee behaviors for security environments...
  • The use of positive reinforcement over shame and fear....
  • How to make usable security...
  • How to enforce security policies....
  • And how all this fits into her being a psychologist?


All of her research can be found here:

Angela recommended a book that took us a bit to find, Codes of the Underworld by Diego Gambetta


Direct download: Social-EngineerPodcastEp085.mp3
Category:Human Element Series -- posted at: 4:01pm EDT

The annual live podcast from DEF CON was an amazing show this year.  Michele gets bio hacked live, Chris almost passes out and the crowd wonders where is the SE in the SEPodcast gone?

Direct download: Social-EngineerPodcastEp084.mp3
Category:Human Element Series -- posted at: 12:20pm EDT

AmyHermanAmy Herman, JD, MA, designed, developed and conducts all sessions of the The Art of Perception. In addition to be an author of an amazing book, "Visual Intelligence."

She joins us this month for one of the best SEPodcast's ever.  We will discuss:

  • What is perception?
  • How can you learn to be more observant?
  • What are the words you might want to avoid using?
  • What can you do if you use one of these words?
  • What fields need help with observation?


Amy can be found on her twitter account AmyHermanAOP

Amy recommended two books that you might enjoy:

Forensics: What Bugs, Burns, Prints, DNA and More Tell Us About Crime by Val McDermid


The Checklist Manifesto: How to Get Things Right by Atul Gawande

Direct download: Social-EngineerPodcastEp083.mp3
Category:Human Element Series -- posted at: 2:59am EDT

You have heard us talk about social engineering in every light possible as an attacker, now we invited two guests, experts in disinformation and and playing Internet hide and seek to help us see if we can use SE to HIDE from anyone.

We discuss such things as:

  • How can you use disinformation?
  • What does it mean to hide on the Internet?
  • How hard would it be to really be off the grid?
  • And why having a corporation in Mexico can help you with all of this.....
  • and so much more.


Join Michael and Justin to find out.

Check out Michael at his site:


Check out Michael's and Justin's books at:

Direct download: Social-EngineerPodcastEp082.mp3
Category:Human Element Series -- posted at: 11:03am EDT

Frank McAndrew is the Cornelia H. Dudley Professor of Psychology at Knox College. He is a social psychologist with interests in environmental and evolutionary psychology, and his research is guided by the simple desire to understand the psychology of everyday life. He is currently studying gossip, aggression, internet behavior, and paranormal experiences. His work is frequently featured in popular media outlets such as National Public Radio, the BBC, the New York Times, and NBC's "Today Show," and he has lectured widely throughout the United States, Europe, and Africa. He has also written for more than two dozen print and online magazines including Time, Newsweek, the Huffington Post, Scientific American, and The New Republic.

He join's us this month to discuss:

  • How creepy are you?
  • How do you know if you are creepy?
  • Can you change if you are creepy?
  • How can creepiness affect being a social engineer?
  • Is Michele really creepy or sultry?
  • Much much more


You can find out more about the Doc on his personal page at: where you can find his research papers and other work too!

Direct download: Social-EngineerPodcastEp081.mp3
Category:Human Element Series -- posted at: 2:55am EDT

Kevin Roose is a business and technology writer for New York magazine and the Daily Intelligencer blog. He has written several books including The Unlikely Disciple: A Sinner's Semester at America's Holiest University and Young Money: Inside the Hidden World of Wall Street's Post-Crash Recruits.

In 2015, Kevin asked Chris and his team of expert social engineers to hack him.  There was no restrictions - phishing, vishing, impersonation and a complete d0x were all on the table.  If haven't seen the outcome you can view in on the YouTube Video that already has over 2 million views.

We thought it would be a great idea to invite Kevin on the show and ask him a few questions:

  • What gave you this crazy idea?
  • Did you think you would come out the victor?
  • How did you really feel as you realized you where pwned?
  • How has it affected you after the hack?
  • Anything you do differently now?
  • And so much more....
Direct download: Social-EngineerPodcastEp080.mp3
Category:Human Element Series -- posted at: 1:30pm EDT

What would you do if you were in a car accident that lowered your IQ and then had doctors basically tell you to throw in the towel?  Would you listen or would you fake it till you make and stay present? Find out what the truly inspirational Amy Cuddy did. March 14, 2016

Direct download: Social-EngineerPodcastEp079.mp3
Category:Human Element Series -- posted at: 10:58am EDT

Join us for another amazing episode with one of our favorite guests Robin Dreeke.

He helps us with:

  • Building on the 10 steps to rapport
  • How do we apply the 5 steps to trust?
  • Can this really make you more zen?
  • What is the name of his new book?
  • What is this?  We are HORNSBY FREE!!


Follow Robin on Twitter or visit his website

Direct download: Social-EngineerPodcastEp078.mp3
Category:Human Element Series -- posted at: 2:00am EDT

Ok so if you haven't heard of Clutch you just have been living under a rock... but if you have come out to listen to this podcast today is your special day... Meet Neil Fallon, leader singer, poet and scotch lover... oh yah and chances are if you go to one of his shows you are getting watched! Jan 11, 2016

Direct download: Social-EngineerPodcastEp077.mp3
Category:Human Element Series -- posted at: 11:42pm EDT

Dec 18th Star Wars debuts its Episode VII!! And while all of geekdom is getting ready, is there Social Engineering Elements to Star Wars?  Join us with our guest Dr. Travis Langley, a psychologist who studies Star Wars characters for the answer! .... Dec 14, 2015

Direct download: Social-EngineerPodcastEp076.mp3
Category:Human Element Series -- posted at: 12:14am EDT

If you took 10 billion parts high energy, 10 billion parts social engineer and 10 billion parts raw awesome and blended them together, poured them in a mold and let them gel it would come out this month's guest.  Brian Brushwood is all that and more..... Nov 9, 2015

Direct download: Social-EngineerPodcastEp075.mp3
Category:Human Element Series -- posted at: 2:30am EDT

Phishing is the number one security threat to organizations around the globe.  Yet only a fraction of the companies that control our services, infrastructure and resources are educating their people how to combat this threat.  Why?  Lets discuss with Mark Chapman.... Oct 12, 2015

Direct download: Social-EngineerPodcastEp074.mp3
Category:Human Element Series -- posted at: 2:00am EDT