Ep. 146 - Demand Transparency with a blue shirt with Jason Frank

In this episode, Chris Hadnagy and Ryan MacDougall are joined by Jason Frank.  Jason has an extensive background in helping both government and Fortune 100 organizations, and has served a course instructor for the Black Hat security conference. Jason is now currently the COO at SpecterOps, where he is accountable for execution of the company. He oversees the Adversary Simulation and Detection delivery capabilities, where he helps clients to understand, detect, and respond to adversaries. May 17, 2021

 

00:00 – Intro 

Social-Engineer.com 

Social-Engineer.org 

InnocentLivesFoundation.org 

Human Hacking Book 

Vishing as a Service (VaaS) 

Phishing as a Service (PHaaS) 

HumanHackingBook.com 

Slack Channel 

@HumanHacker on Twitter 

CLUTCH 

03:05 – Podcast Guest Jason Frank Intro 

 03:22 – Jason at BlackHat 

03:30 - SpecterOps 

04:34 – How Jason got to where he is 

08:50 – Curiousity and motivation born from failing at a CTF 

09:50 – Adversary Simulation – why is Jason using this phrase? 

12:32 – Where are we in the current security culture? 

16:11 – How to get attention of stakeholders, what concepts do you put in play? 

18:03 – Reactive vs. Proactive 

21:56 – How can corporations prepare for and mitigate attacks? 

23:39 – What are the business repercussions of not letting machines talk to each other, and only the server? 

25:45 – What are the more recent attacks you’ve seen coming up that people should be looking for? 

28:14 – Knowledge bombs – terminology that people can look up to recognize “low hanging fruit” they may be missing – Bloodhound 

30:00 – Cycles where certain things can be exploited such as ActiveDirectory 

30:50 – What other things do companies need to be watching for 

32:14  – PowerShell 

33:44 – What are some action steps that corporations should start taking right now? 

34:51 – Colleagues Jason respects most in the industry 

• Andrew Morris founder of GreyNoise 
• Dane Stuckey from Palantir 
• Jason Hill from DHS CISA 
• Bryan Beyer and Keith McCammon from Red Canary 

36:50 – Jason's Book Recommendations 

• Creativity Inc. 
• Principles: Life and Work 
• Get A Grip 

38:31 – Wrap-Up 

@jasonjfrank on Twitter 

Jason J Frank on LinkedIn 

@joemontmania on Twitter (Ryan MacDougall) 

@HumanHacker on Twitter (Chris Hadnagy) 

@InnocentOrg on Twitter (Innocent Lives Foundation)