The Social-Engineer Podcast (Security Awareness )

This month, Chris Hadnagy and Ryan MacDougall are joined by Paul Asadoorian.  Paul is the founder of Security Weekly, a security podcast network. Paul spends time “in the trenches” coding in Python, testing security products and evaluating and implementing open-source software. Paul's career began by implementing security programs for a lottery company and then a large university. As Product Evangelist for Tenable Network Security, Paul also built a library of materials on the topic of vulnerability management. When not hacking IoT devices, web applications or Linux, Paul can be found researching his next set of headphones, devices for smoking meat, and e-bikes. November 15, 2021. 

00:00 – Intro 

03:34 – Paul Asadoorian Intro 

05:08 – How did you get started in infosec? 

13:19 – When did you decide you were going to start a podcast? 

24:26 – What have you learned from the guests you’ve had on your podcasts over all of these years? 

27:00 – What is your perspective on the shifting of hacking culture in the community? 

34:53 – What are the best qualities someone could have to be attractive to a potential employer in this industry? 

37:14 – How do we get the younger generation to have the qualities we are not seeing? 

41:38 – Who is your greatest mentor? 

51:00 – Guest Wrap Up 

53:31 – Outro 


This month Chris Hadnagy and Ryan MacDougall are joined by Les Correia, who leads the evangelization of Estee Lauders Application Security. In his position Les wears many hats, but they are all worn with the mission of protecting Estee Lauders critical assets from the risk of a security breach. Prior to this, Les held Senior and Advisory roles providing thought leadership at companies such as AT&T and Lucent. Les also holds an MSc in Cyber Security as well as an exhaustive list of certifications. In his free time, Les pilots small aircraft and drives racecars. October 18, 2021

00:00 – Intro 

Managed Voice Phishing      

Managed Email Phishing      

Adversarial Simulations      

CLUTCH      

Human Behavior Conference – website coming soon 

05:10 – Les Correia Intro 

09:15 – How did you get into this industry? 

12:05 – How are you trying to be proactive in stopping breaches? 

14:00 – How important has top level support been? 

15:03 – How do you get other business units to give you time for what you’re doing? 

16:30 – Understanding the business like a business consultant helps them know you care about that business unit 

20:19 Whisky 

24:08 – What kind of attacks have you seen in the wild that people need to be aware of? 

26:10 – How do we get people that may not think they can be a victim to understand these threats can still be against them? 

27:55 – Being a worldwide company, how do you translate your security processes through all those different cultures? 

32:01 – How important is it to have hobbies outside of your work? 

34:41 – How do you help your team deal with burnout when you have so much work on your plate? 

37:56 – Has there anyone you could consider your greatest mentor? 

Dr. Tafar  

INS (International Network Services) 

Dr. Patarsh  

Dr. Menamen – NYU  

39:32 – Book Recommendations 

42:20 – Reaching Les on social media: QvittlbBgZseL100xP0S

43:12 – Outro  

www.innocentlivesfoundation.org 

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In this episode, Chris Hadnagy and Ryan MacDougall are joined by Ed Skoudis.  Ed is a SANS Institute Fellow, Instructor, and Director of Cyber Ranges.  He is the founder of Counter Hack, an innovative cyber security company that works as trusted information security advisors to government, military, and commercial enterprises by providing in-depth security architecture, penetration testing, red teaming, incident response, and digital forensics expertise. Ed frequently presents industry keynotes based on the latest attack vectors he identifies during his team’s penetration testing projects, expert witness work on large-scale breaches, security research into late-breaking malware and exploits, and incident response engagements. Over his career, Ed has taught over 20,000 students in computer incident response and penetration testing.  Ed and his team are also the creators of the SANS Holiday Hack Challenge, a free gift to the community every December challenging tens of thousands of people to build their cyber security skills in a fun, quirky adventure to save the holiday season. September 20, 2021 

00:00 – Intro 

CLUTCH    

03:26 – Ed Skoudis Intro 

05:26 – How did you get started, how did you get into this field? 

09:18 – What do you looking for when building your team? 

10:47 – How long will you observe a person to determine if they have the integrity or skill that you want? 

12:44 – What advice would you give for companies to find people with the skill and integrity they need more quickly than observing them for 2-4 years? 

22:00 – “Nothing new” in social engineering vs infosec, which is constantly changing 

23:45 – Why do you feel experience like participating in CTF’s are so valuable for people in this community?

28:57 – What is your advice for people on how to find quality CTF’s? 

32:04 – How long does it take your team to construct these challenges? 

35:54 – If someone wants to sponsor this event, where can they go? 

36:42 – Who are the colleagues or mentors that have been most influential to you, people you wouldn’t be where you are today if not for them? 

Ed’s Nana – Evelyn Hiddings 

Manager at Bellcore - Miriam Hernandez Cagle 

SANS instructor, founder of In Guardians - Mike Poor 

Security Expert - Johnny Long 

SANS founder – Alan Paller 

40:30 – What are some action steps corporations should start doing right now based on the advice you gave today to build a great team? 

Have a good corporate culture and leadership 

Be thoughtful and meaningful, make it fun, and challenge them 

Take input from your team and empower them 

43:09 – Do you have any advice for employees dealing with burnout, how to practice self-care, or other coping mechanisms? 

Monthly meeting with state of the business, business reflections 

Rituals – Get a bagel and call mom on Saturdays, morning walk, calling friends out of the blue 

Gratefulness – when stressed, pause and think about what you’re grateful for 

Get off social media for a few days 

50:27 – Book Recommendation 

51:53 – Outro 

 


In this episode, Chris Hadnagy and Ryan MacDougall are joined by Bernie Acre.  Bernie is the Chief Information Officer for the City of Bryan, TX where he’s responsible for all technology and communications systems, including the Fire, Police, Public Works, the municipal electric utility, and a myriad of general support organizations.  Bernie is currently an appointed Member of the Texas Cybersecurity Council. Bernie has a combined 41-years of experience in information technology; including 20+ in the US Air Force and 21 years in the electric utility industry and municipal government. August 16, 2021

00:00 – Intro 

CLUTCH   

03:34 – Bernie Acre Intro

04:43 – How did your transition into this position take place?

08:18 – What makes you proud of the culture that you created around employee awareness?

12:25 – How do you get all senior management on board?

14:24 – What did it take to find the people to make such a great team?

15:35 – What were you looking for in these people

17:15 – Setting the bar 

19:15 – Team Advocate vs. Adversary 

23:59 – Was your senior management always on board with being part of the testing? 

27:06 – So the third hour of their required training is something the employees choose? 

27:54 – Have you always had the philosophy that the security training you do at work should become personal? 

29:21 – What are three things you would tell someone beginning in the field to focus on? 

32:51 – Taking the time to grow 

34:49 – What do you do to help combat burn out?  How about promoting self-care? 

37:31 – What lacks the most sometimes in an organization is communication

37:43 – Who in this industry do you respect the most? 

  • One of Bernie’s commanders in the service, for overall leadership 

43:55 – What got you so heavily into history? 

44:38 – Finding Bernie on the internet: 

47:04 – Outro 

Thanks to Bernie 

 

 

 

 

 


In this episode, Chris Hadnagy and Ryan MacDougall are joined by Michael Fortune.  Michael is the Security Behaviours Team Manager for British Telecom (BT) UK. Michael has been with BT for an amazing 22 years, where he is currently BT’s expert on security behavior, insider threat behavior, and social engineering, and helps guides the business around these risks. With over 160 thousand employees across the globe in his charge, Michael helps run a team of experts who support and drive security programs for the company.  July 19, 2021

00:00 – Intro 

CLUTCH

03:37 – Michael Fortune Intro

05:22 – Michael’s Path – how has your background in psychology helped with cyber and information security?

06:10 – Have you been able to use psychological principles in eduction?

07:27 – How do you keep education engaging for 160,000 people?

10:07 – Top down approach

12:51 – You are essentially performing an SE gig in order to get an SE gig

14:03 – What’s your rule set?

15:59 – Senior Management Buy In – people are afraid of doing that so they don’t do it.  How do you approach that?

 19:08 – Where is the ethical line in using social engineering to get buy-in?

21:21 – Explaining to upper management the repercussions of not doing this training

22:52 – Were your CISO and Director of Protections always on board or did you have to convince them? 

25:56 – What have you learned from your hundreds of thousands of SMishing attacks under your belt?

29:18 – Advice about getting buy-in from the top down can work for any sized company

 30:30 – When you talk about personalizing the sessions that you do, do you personalize to the department, or 

33:05 – Following through with a good program

36:24 – The idea is to get people to do it

36:38 – What colleagues do you respect most in the industry? 

  • Steve Benton – Deputy CISO at BT 
  • Chris Hadnagy

39:22 – What are some action steps that corporations should start doing right now?

42:00 – Experience is everything

42:40 –

Book Recommendations 

44:48 – You need patience, because human being is different and complex

45:13 – Michael Fortune on the internet: Michael.2.Fortune@bt.com


In this episode, Chris Hadnagy and Ryan MacDougall are joined by Rockie Brockway.  Rockie is currently the Practice Lead for the Office of the CSO for TrustedSec. With over 28 years' experience in information security and business risk, Rockie specializes in Business Risk Analysis and the inherent relationships between data, assets, adversaries, and the organization’s brand value. He provides strategic and tactical advisory services to TrustedSec’s clients, assisting them in maturing their organizations’ security programs. 

00:00 – Intro 

07:25 – A little about Rockie’s background and how he got started in the industry 

10:35 – Rockie's feelings on the past 29 years, from the first virus he saw vs what we see now 

12:35 – Rockie was in a math rock band called Craw, Rockie played shows with CLUTCH!!!  

17:15 – What should I have or learn to get a job in a company like yours? 

21:52 – How do you take curious and knowledgeable people’s knowledge and bridge that gap between them and the decision makers? 

23:43 – How can young people get the qualities you suggest? 

25:20 – Never be afraid of failure 

27:45 – How important is top-down leadership support, or what are the most important aspects of doing your job? 

31:25 – Are there more or less “future thinking” proactive security concerns than there were years ago? 

36:02 – What level of organizations are bringing you in for your assistance? 

37:28 – Action steps for corporations to start doing now 

Outro 

40:42 – Colleagues you respect most in the industry 

  • Dr Peter Tippett 
  • Marty from Snort 
  • Renaud from Nessus 
  • Dave Kennedy and TrustedSec GitHub 
  • Jack Jones - Factory Analysis Information Risk 
  • B Sides Jack Daniel, Nickerson, Ian Emit 

42:45 – Book recommendations 

 

44:33 – How to contact Rockie 

 

In this episode, Chris Hadnagy and Ryan MacDougall are joined by Jason Frank.  Jason has an extensive background in helping both government and Fortune 100 organizations, and has served a course instructor for the Black Hat security conference. Jason is now currently the COO at SpecterOps, where he is accountable for execution of the company. He oversees the Adversary Simulation and Detection delivery capabilities, where he helps clients to understand, detect, and respond to adversaries. May 17, 2021

 

00:00 – Intro 

CLUTCH 

03:05 – Podcast Guest Jason Frank Intro 

 03:22 – Jason at BlackHat 

03:30 - SpecterOps 

04:34 – How Jason got to where he is 

08:50 – Curiousity and motivation born from failing at a CTF 

09:50 – Adversary Simulation – why is Jason using this phrase? 

12:32 – Where are we in the current security culture? 

16:11 – How to get attention of stakeholders, what concepts do you put in play? 

18:03 – Reactive vs. Proactive 

21:56 – How can corporations prepare for and mitigate attacks? 

23:39 – What are the business repercussions of not letting machines talk to each other, and only the server? 

25:45 – What are the more recent attacks you’ve seen coming up that people should be looking for? 

28:14 – Knowledge bombs – terminology that people can look up to recognize “low hanging fruit” they may be missing – Bloodhound 

30:00 – Cycles where certain things can be exploited such as ActiveDirectory 

30:50 – What other things do companies need to be watching for 

32:14  – PowerShell 

33:44 – What are some action steps that corporations should start taking right now? 

34:51 – Colleagues Jason respects most in the industry 

  • Andrew Morris founder of GreyNoise 
  • Dane Stuckey from Palantir 
  • Jason Hill from DHS CISA 
  • Bryan Beyer and Keith McCammon from Red Canary 

36:50 – Jason's Book Recommendations 

38:31 – Wrap-Up 

@joemontmania on Twitter (Ryan MacDougall) 

@HumanHacker on Twitter (Chris Hadnagy) 

@InnocentOrg on Twitter (Innocent Lives Foundation) 


In this episode of the SECurity Awareness Series of the SEPodcastChris Hadnagy and Ryan MacDougall are joined by Brian Phillips who is responsible for information security at Macy’s. Listen as they discuss how to: build an information security organizationhire the right people, and get buy-in from executives.  March 15, 2021

 

00:09 – Intro 

01:54 – Introduction to Brian Phillips 

02:44 – Security in a retail environment and impacts from the pandemic 

07:25 - How to build an information security organization from the ground up 

10:14 – Changing an organization's mindset for better security 

14:20 – The most desirable quality in a team member, and how to recognize it ian interview 

18:21 – How to nurture an outsider into a security professional 

22:48 - How to align corporate security initiatives with business goals 

26:38 – The importance of buy-in from the C-level down, and how to get it. 

38:13 – Key takeaways that corporations should start doing now 

40:17 – Brian’s most respected colleagues 

42:14 – Brian's book recommendations 

Joe Navarro’s Books: 

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44:03 – Conclusion 

Clutch 


In this episode, Chris Hadnagy and Ryan MacDougall are joined by industry professionalJulie Rinehart. Julie has spent the last 10 years building and enhancing Fortune 500 enterprise Security Awareness programs. Listen as they discuss using empathy to improve security awareness and the flaws in the “stupid user” philosophy. 

 

00:10 – Intro 

01:56 – Introduction to Julie Rinehart 

02:28 – How Julie got into the industry 

06:21 – Dismantling the “stupid user” philosophy 

07:53 – How to interview your employer 

10:34 – The biggest milestones in Julie’s career 

14:31 – How you can encourage users to report the phish they clicked on 

19:22– What we can learn from “people who try to do the right thing and then mess up” 

25:25 – The benefits of making security personal 

28:34 – Julie's biggest challenges in the industry 

30:28 – Increase security awareness using gamification 

35:13 – Julie's mentors and most respected colleagues 

38:54 - Julie’s podcast recommendations 

43:52 – Outro 

Clutch 

 

Direct download: Ep._140__Empathetic_Security_with_Julie_Rinehart.mp3
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In this episode, Chris Hadnagy and Ryan MacDougall are joined by industry professional, Marcus Sailler to discuss his experience as the red team information security manager at Capital Group. Marcus shares some great tips on creating a successful security team and how you can prevent it from becoming the "No Police". They also go over the recent changes in the industry, including how big hacks have increased security awareness in the general public. 

 

00:09 – Introduction to the new Security Awareness Series 

01:28 – Introduction to Ryan MacDougall 

02:32 – Introduction to Marcus Sailler 

04:20 – How Marcus got into information security 

06:08 – Recent changes in the infosec industryHow a big hack increases security awareness 

12:09 – How a red team and security awareness team can collaborate to enhance security 

14:25 – Introduction to Capital Group 

16:17 – Coming up with relevant attacks for a global company 

18:08 – How a security team can avoid becoming the “No Police” 

21:39 – Why it’s better to build a blue team first 

22:24 – The importance of attitude and ego for a red teamer 

25:04 – How a red team benefits from partnership 

26:53 – Emulate the bad guy, but remember to be good 

29:18 – Steps corporations should implement now 

30:58 – Some of Marcus’ most respected industry professionals 

34:47 – Marcus' book recommendations 

39:18 – Marcus' contact info 

14:38 – Outro 

Clutch 

 

Direct download: Ep._138__Security_With_Marcus_Sailer_of_Capital_Group.mp3
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